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RAID ON KMART PARKING LOT (HOUSTON) LEAVES SHOCK, ANGER
The Houston Chronicle ^ | 19 August 2002 | Ron Nissimov

Posted on 08/19/2002 4:58:54 AM PDT by MeneMeneTekelUpharsin

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To: George Frm Br00klyn Park
Guys, Draco LIVES!

He sure does!


61 posted on 08/19/2002 6:02:12 AM PDT by Xenalyte
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To: FreeTally
Are you saying that the 10-year old was up to no good, violating the law? As for the other kids, I wouldn't be surprised if a few "innocents" got rounded up, but I bet most WERE lying... the 10-year old girl being cuffed and stuffed, though, I have a BIG problem with... or was she and her dad lying, too???
63 posted on 08/19/2002 6:03:58 AM PDT by Chad Fairbanks
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To: AppyPappy
..the 10 year-old was not with her dad. That's why the 10 year-old got arrested...Thanks, Pappy. I had misinterpreted that.

Still surprised though, that you a ten-year-old could be arrested for not actually doing anything wrong.

64 posted on 08/19/2002 6:04:30 AM PDT by Byron_the_Aussie
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To: zhabotinsky
If anything, you should lose custody for being an unfit parent.

Were you born an a**hole or did your wonderful, virtuous parents (who would NEVER dare to do something so irresponsible as see a movie after 8:00 PM on a Saturday) raise you to be one from an early age?

65 posted on 08/19/2002 6:05:54 AM PDT by Orangedog
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To: zhabotinsky
The kid claimed to have been separated from her father. How did the police know she was telling the truth?

There may not even be a ten year old who got arrested. The reporter never saw her or talked to her. Emily Demmler, one of those arrested, claims that even a ten year old was arrested.

66 posted on 08/19/2002 6:06:33 AM PDT by RGSpincich
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To: dawn53
..I'd wager a bet that the security guards had asked this crowd to disperse, and when they didn't they called the cops...

Well, I'd be very surprised, if that's what happened. Because you would not normally expect enough cops to be available at immediate notice to go and bust 425 people. It sounds to me to be a planned affair.

68 posted on 08/19/2002 6:08:48 AM PDT by Byron_the_Aussie
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To: Chad Fairbanks
but I bet most WERE lying... the 10-year old girl being cuffed and stuffed, though, I have a BIG problem with... or was she and her dad lying, too???

I think you answer your own questions. With over 400 people, why would a cop say, "Oh, I'll believe this one, but not that one"? Answer, a cop would not. If the kid "was in the middle" of it all, I doubt the story is true. I bet more than one kid tried the "but I'm with my parents....and they are right over there..." story.

69 posted on 08/19/2002 6:09:05 AM PDT by FreeTally
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To: RGSpincich; All
There may not even be a ten year old who got arrested. The reporter never saw her or talked to her. Emily Demmler, one of those arrested, claims that even a ten year old was arrested.

BUMP!!

I just re-read it.

This could all be a lie.

70 posted on 08/19/2002 6:10:47 AM PDT by FreeTally
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To: MeneMeneTekelUpharsin; All
Listening to the discussion on the Jon Matthews show (KSEV 700), it seems that this has been an ongoing problem. People from the neighborhood claim that the gathering often lasts until 3 - 4:00 a.m. Police do run them off, and they return later.

That said, I think it was handled poorly. I think seeing a few of your friends riding off in the back of a police car, for a few weekends in a row, would encourage most of them to go elsewhere. This mass "equal treatment" arrest was a bad idea.

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Flyer

71 posted on 08/19/2002 6:10:56 AM PDT by Flyer
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To: AppyPappy
Exactly. Kmart was tired of the commotion which probably scared customers off and made a mess in the parking lot. But people will still blame the police for anything.

This was probably not a new problem or the first time they were there.

Our town is much smaller but businesses have the same problem. These kids come in cars which take up parking spaces, then the customers come and have no place to park, so they leave. They hang around and leave a mess from drinks and food in the lot, turn their car radios on full blast.

Most business owners do ask them the leave, post No Loitering signs and when all else fails, they call the police.

425 is NOT a small group of kids and was probably an on going problem and calling the police was the owners or managers last resort. Of course the police and the manager are the bad guys. These kids wouldn't do anything wrong now would they?

72 posted on 08/19/2002 6:11:25 AM PDT by Texas Mom
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To: Dog Gone
She got separated from her father

How does a 10 year-old get separated from her dad at midnight?

73 posted on 08/19/2002 6:11:27 AM PDT by AppyPappy
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To: zhabotinsky
12:30 AM on a saturday night is hardly late for a 10-year old to be out WITH a parent... You obviously do not have children... they never want to sleep... and they are hungry all the time - I've taken mine to the drive-thru at taco bell at midnight before. That obviously means I'm an unfit parent, and my child deserves to be arrested...
74 posted on 08/19/2002 6:12:45 AM PDT by Chad Fairbanks
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To: zhabotinsky
..since you apparently think it is acceptable for teenagers to accumulate in large numbers on people's private property after midnight, can we assume that you will avoid commenting about the problem of rampant crime committed by teenagers in the future?...

For starters, I don't accept that a parking lot accessible to anyone with a car is 'people's private property.' Secondly, I'll bet there was plenty of genuine crime being committed in Houston, while these teenagers were being rousted for doing nothing. But most of all, what hot dog ordered such a pointless bust, which will needlessly result in hundreds of kids, their friends and their parents viewing the local police with contempt?

76 posted on 08/19/2002 6:13:13 AM PDT by Byron_the_Aussie
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To: Quilla
I'd take that wager. Teenagers who have cars and make straight A's are not necessairly the product of government check, crack households. Also, this happened on a Saturday nitht.

I'd wager that not all 450 kids were straight A students.

There seems to be a bias in this story. The only examples of people arrested are either "straight A students" or little children. I'm surpised they didn't also throw in that Mother Teresa was arrested.

Those 450 teens probably run the spectrum, from teens hanging out eating ice-cream, to those hanging out and drinking beer, to those hanging out and doing drugs. The problem is they are all "hanging out" and killing the K-Mart's business. If you've ever seen teenagers hanging out or cruising a shopping center parking lot (a common sight in rural America) you know the last thing you want to do is pull in and get in the middle of that.

Don't forget about the lawyers also. If K-Mart failed to complain to the police and have the teens run off, then the first time somebody got hurt, some lawyer would argue that K-Mart approved of the teens gathering on K-Mart property because they didn't do anything to stop it. The lawyer would promptly sue saying they were responsible for any trouble that the teens cause.

The police apparently screwed up. All they really needed to do was put a patrol car in there and run everyone off for a few weekends, and eventually they would find somewhere else to hang out at.

77 posted on 08/19/2002 6:14:12 AM PDT by Brookhaven
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To: zhabotinsky
I was gonna reply right away to your posts, but the more I read the more I see your just yankin' chains. I will admit it's fun to do from time to time.

I think the "my Dad only to took me to the 7:00 p.m. movies" line was the one that gave you away.

78 posted on 08/19/2002 6:14:55 AM PDT by Damocles
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To: zhabotinsky
Having a bunch of hooligans congregating in your parking lot scaring customers away is a good way to drum up business?

Yeah, those ten year old girls are a real threat, aren't they?

79 posted on 08/19/2002 6:15:12 AM PDT by hopespringseternal
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To: Byron_the_Aussie; AppyPappy
Well, I'd be very surprised, if that's what happened. Because you would not normally expect enough cops to be available at immediate notice to go and bust 425 people. It sounds to me to be a planned affair.

Of course it was planned. Nobody can tell me that 425 people, including paying patrons at the adjacent Sonic restaurant, defied a police order to leave, and so the police had no choice but to begin arresting them. And the suggestion that the media is covering up that act of defiance is absurd.

I am really surprised at the number of people here who see nothing wrong with what happened here. Surprised and disappointed.

80 posted on 08/19/2002 6:16:00 AM PDT by Dog Gone
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