Angry Truck Stop Manager Turns Away Police, Safety Inspectors - Flying J stands it ground

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[Pete-R-Bilt]

it's amazing i can get my britches up some days, with so many hands in my back pocket...

[DGallandro]

You wrote (as part of a reply):

(You know the physochotic red diper dopper baby lawyers who froth with spittle off the corners of their mouths as they talk about injustice and the veins on their forehead and neck start to bulge out).


Funny you should mention that. I have just such a person on retainer. Anybody wonder why?

DG

[B4Ranch]

Hey, that's what keeps you slim and trim, man. Just imagine how chubby you would be if you sat around all day like I do. LOL

Drive Safe and give me a call when you're in the neighborhood.

[joeyman]

not everyone has a lawyer. some people, when they stand up to the state, wind up in jail.

What you say is absolutely true, however, in my experience, if you politely get in their face and make your particular case far more trouble and paperwork than an easier mark would be, they frequently back off. Rights are like muscles, if you don't use'em, they become useless. The trick is knowing how far to push - and of course having a good lawyer in reserve if you push too far.

[kennyo]

'Uncooperative! I guess that is one way of saying that he fled from the traffic stop...?

Maybe the officer was being unreasonable.What would you do if you were stopped by an officer for speeding,and asked to get out of your car,subject yourself and car to search?You'd probably fall right into line,as would I,as I do not relish the thought of spending time in jail for "refusing to cooperate"with an unconstitutional search.Cops should read and understand the constitution just like the rest of us,and respect it's provisions.I can't count the number of newspaper articles I've read where police found drugs or other contraband in cars,to be informed at the end of the article that it was all the product of a "routine traffic stop".If it was a routine traffic stop,what were the police doing in the trunk?

[the bottle let me down]

Actually, that line was from "Treasure of the Sierra Madre."

I prety sure that Mel Brooks used it in Blazing Saddles. See the scene where Hedley LaMarr is hiring his gang to pillage Rock Ridge.

[ArrogantBustard]

Actually, that line was from "Treasure of the Sierra Madre."

I prety sure that Mel Brooks used it in Blazing Saddles.

You're both right. Treasure of the Sierra Madre came first, of course.

[Lucius Cornelius Sulla]

What would you do if you were stopped by an officer for speeding,and asked to get out of your car,subject yourself and car to search?

I do not think I would be happy, but that is irrelevant, since all evidence is that this didn't happen here, the state highway patrol officer simply asked the perp to give him the driver's license, so he could take a close look at it, perhaps taking the license to the patrol car to check for outstanding warrants, which is SOP in every state I have been in. That is over a dozen states I have lived in, plus 20 more that I have driven though.

I've read where police found drugs or other contraband in cars,to be informed at the end of the article that it was all the product of a "routine traffic stop".If it was a routine traffic stop,what were the police doing in the trunk?

Well now you have gotten completely off topic, but it is universally accepted that, if the cops have a reasonable suspicion that a crime has been committed, or that they are in danger, they have a responsibility to investigate the crime, or secure their safety by searching the car. If the search is not reasonable, the courts throw out the evidence.

[Lucius Cornelius Sulla]

Seems to me that the situation warrented a call for a "BACKUP" not a go it alone traffic stop.

It is not standard procedure to wait for backup just to give a traffic ticket. By the time the shooting took place, there were a large number of patrol cars from at least two jurisdictions.

[Don Corleone]

It is not standard procedure to wait for backup just to give a traffic ticket. By the time the shooting took place, there were a large number of patrol cars from at least two jurisdictions.

Then who was in charge....Janet Reno? Sounds like a big time FUP

[kennyo]

If the search is not reasonable, the courts throw out the evidence.

If you refuse to let them search your car,or to get out of your car,you're being uncooperative.If you allow them to search your car,(hear this well),NO COURT WILL THROW OUT THAT EVIDENCE

[Lucius Cornelius Sulla]

.If you allow them to search your car,(hear this well),NO COURT WILL THROW OUT THAT EVIDENCE

"If you can't do the time, don't do the crime"

[Lucius Cornelius Sulla]

Then who was in charge....Janet Reno? Sounds like a big time FUP

I am not quite sure what you mean. If you have a good person in charge, you will have no casualties in a firefight? Guess that makes Patton and MacArthur lousy commanders?

[kennyo]

If you allow them to search your car,(hear this well),NO COURT WILL THROW OUT THAT EVIDENCE

"If you can't do the time, don't do the crime"

What does that have to do with admissable evidence?

[Lucius Cornelius Sulla]

What does that have to do with admissable evidence?

A trial is meant to bring out the truth. Like most conservatives I am very skeptical about the exclusionary rule, which has the effect of excluding the jury from knowing the truth. If you have not committed a crime, real evidence will not lead to your conviction. The best way to avoid conviction for a crime is not to commit a crime.

[kennyo]

A trial is meant to bring out the truth. Like most conservatives I am very skeptical about the exclusionary rule, which has the effect of excluding the jury from knowing the truth. If you have not committed a crime, real evidence will not lead to your conviction. The best way to avoid conviction for a crime is not to commit a crime.

.And that holds for police officers,too.Don't violate anyone's rights and you won't have to "do the time".I too am skeptical of the exclusionary rule,and believe one way to solve that problem would be to hold officers that obtain evidence illegally be held to answer personally for it,either criminally,civilly,or both.

[Lucius Cornelius Sulla]

I too am skeptical of the exclusionary rule,and believe one way to solve that problem would be to hold officers that obtain evidence illegally be held to answer personally for it,either criminally,civilly,or both.

I agree with this totally, and would hope that this is already the case, if not frequently enforced. This would also mean that the 'Blue Wall of Silence' would be held to be a criminal conspiracy to obstruct justice, and all relevant evidence, in all criminal cases, would be admissible.

[OXENinFLA]

"We're checking for bad VIN numbers, VIN switches, cab switches, trailer switches, bad trailers, stolen trailers, anything with bad VIN numbers or vin numbers that have been removed," said Officer Danny Langoria of the APD Auto Theft Unit.

TRANSLATION " We are going to Violate the 4th Amendment and dissassemble anyone's truck on this site"

"Apparently there was some misunderstanding about what we were doing. but I know he has business he has to protect," said Officer Langoria

NO, I think the manager knew all to well what was going to happen and had the smarts to stop it before it could get started.

[CFW]

Has anyone else come in contact with the "new breed" of state patrol?
Black suited, Gestapo style.
I was stopped at a "checkpoint" where "my papers" where scrutinized for 30 minutes, I was questioned about the contents of my coolers (camping and picnic supplies - no alcohol), who I was with, why I was here, ect.. ect...seems that they were having trouble with "some people drinking and smoking pot”. The leader of the crew was straight out of a nazi war movie. Even his buddies kept their distance from him. He repeatedly tried to "bait" me into arguing and was very abusive in his tone and demeanor. Eye contact with some of the other officers indicated their fear of and distaste for the actions of this guy but they were clearly scared of him. I have never seen the all black uniform before, is this a new trend?

[chance33_98]

I haven't, I live in ohio and while the troopers can be tough here I have found they are usually pretty good people. I often see them pulled over offering road assistance and helping people. I had three of them stop to check on me while I was broke down once and one offered to allow me to sit in his cruiser and wait for help if the heater was not working.

They are not perfect and can be jerks, like everyone else. I worked around a lot of them while I was a deputy and for the most part they seemed to be regular guys who have a very tough, stressful, job.

But if they were jerks to me like those guys were to you I think I would certainly have a problem with it.