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Bush Administration Plan to Invade Iraq Dubious at Best
The American Partisan ^ | August 16, 2002 | David T. Pyne

Posted on 08/16/2002 12:37:18 PM PDT by rightwing2

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To: rightwing2
Iraq now boasts one of the best air defense systems in the world according to national security experts.

Many made the same claim in early January of 1991. Iraq will fold like a house of cards yet again. People forget it took those inept clowns eight years to fight Iran to a draw.

21 posted on 08/16/2002 1:17:47 PM PDT by SMEDLEYBUTLER
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To: Whilom
Is David Pyne part of the Fifth Column?

I'm unfamiliar with his writings, but if this is part-and-parcel of what he says, I would have to say that he is a part of the Fifth Column.

22 posted on 08/16/2002 1:17:51 PM PDT by rdb3
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To: rightwing2
The only thing I have heard the President commit to is "A change in regime". How or when this will happen has never been made public therefore all "Plans" for "Invasion" are speculation, heresay and/or misinformation.
24 posted on 08/16/2002 1:22:52 PM PDT by Spruce
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To: Spruce
p.s. You don't need to invade a country just to bust a cap in saddam's brainpan.
25 posted on 08/16/2002 1:24:36 PM PDT by Spruce
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To: johnb838
Something about this article smells funny. Very very funny.

America Firstish isn't it. Check this out.

The Patriotist.

"Kirk Lyons for ANV Commander"?

26 posted on 08/16/2002 1:25:01 PM PDT by Stentor
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To: rightwing2
I think all of the talks and opinions and warnings about an invasion of IRAQ are nothing but head fakes. When the thing is supposed to happen, it will happen. September 11 seems like a good date. Hopefully, we will advertise it like hell and it will make NO DIFFERNCE, except make the victory that much sweeter.

Sort of like Babe Ruth pointing at where his home run is going...

27 posted on 08/16/2002 1:25:17 PM PDT by chilepepper
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To: Beenliedto
"...so now the plan which the administration has been talking about for months doesn't exist. Now how am I to believe that one?"

Anonymous sources have been talking about a plan. The administration hasn't.

There is a difference...

28 posted on 08/16/2002 1:26:56 PM PDT by okie01
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To: ex-snook
a plan to win the peace

"Peace" is possible in the Middle East.


29 posted on 08/16/2002 1:34:38 PM PDT by ASA Vet
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To: ex-snook
If we don't have a plan to win the peace, we won't win the 'war'... Bush needs to ... think the strategy about how in some 50 years we end up with friendly nations like Germany and Japan

We wound up with a civilized Germany and Japan because, first we beat the pants off of them, and then we rebuilt them more or less in our image.

I don't think we had it all thought out on December 8, or even on D-Day. Job one was "beating the pants off of them". Job two, rebuilding them, sort of took care of itself when the time came.

30 posted on 08/16/2002 1:35:22 PM PDT by marron
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To: Biker Scum
I have no choice other than to agree with you.

We have Iraqi military and science defectors telling us that this megalomaniac is feverishly working to develop WMD. Intel has confirmed that Muhammed Atta visted Hussein linking him to 9/11. He is blatantly violating the terms of the Gulf War's end by now allowing U.N. weapons inspectors do their jobs, and yet we still have those on the Left and Right who say that we're not provoked and/or have no evidence that he's doing anything wrong.

Like I said, what a bunch of panty-waist limp-wrists.

It's disgusting!

There's a time for peace and a time for war.

Lock and load.

31 posted on 08/16/2002 1:38:35 PM PDT by rdb3
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To: Pharmer
What do you mean without provocation?!! Remember Sept. 11? Mohammed Atta meeting with Iraqi Intelligence in Prague just prior to the attack (which Czech Intelligence insists happened in spite of the doubts of the CIA and FBI)isn't a clue?

This alleged link has no credibility. First, the 9/11 terrorists did not need the help of the Iraqi government. Second, terrorists are not going to discuss their plans in the open in a restaurant in Prague.

32 posted on 08/16/2002 1:43:23 PM PDT by ProudAmerican2
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To: rightwing2
which 50,000 US Special Forces troops were able to beat a ragtag and poorly equipped Army of 47,000 Taleban and assorted Al Queda irregulars

The "50,000 special forces" figure is bogus, which renders the rest of his commentary somewhat questionable. It is not clear that he is simply engaging in hyperbole, which would be forgiveable, but still off the mark.

If the 50,000 refers to all naval and air force and army personnel assigned to the task, it is probably close to accurate.

I am not particularly worried about Saddam's 500,000 man army. Once the Republican Guard is neutralized, the remainder will sieze power and be the basis of the post-Saddam government. Within two months we will be sending Iraqi officers to the US for advanced management seminars.

33 posted on 08/16/2002 1:44:41 PM PDT by marron
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To: rdb3
We have Iraqi military and science defectors telling us that this megalomaniac is feverishly working to develop WMD.

And I was worried that you were going to cite a discredited source. By the way, Scott Ritter claims that Iraq does not represent a threat to our security.

34 posted on 08/16/2002 1:45:06 PM PDT by ProudAmerican2
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To: Pharmer
We would be controlling those Iraqi oil fields...

"We" would not be controlling a damn thing. The best we could hope for is quasi-US companies (really multi-nationals, Exxon, Chevron being the prime examples) gaining contracts to produce and sell the oil. This would be a benefit as long as they keep it flowing, no matter what the remaining OPEC members demand, but corporations have been known to restrict supply to increase profits. And those profits (aside from whatever taxes the Treasury does collect) won't be going to the US, but to *surprise* the same elites that made this whole thing necessary in the first place by placing the US in defense of the House of Saud in 1991. So, unless we create a national oil company to exploit our new-found spoils, with the spigots unfettered and all profits going into the Treasury, young Americans will be in harm's way for corporate profits.

Thus, a bullet in Saddam's head is the cleanest and most just means of achieving our stated goal. Invasion serves only a select few.

LTS

35 posted on 08/16/2002 1:45:39 PM PDT by Liberty Tree Surgeon
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To: rightwing2
Total BS, and bad at that.

"...repeat the successes of Afghanistan in which 50,000 US Special Forces troops were able to beat a ragtag and poorly equipped Army of 47,000 Taleban and assorted Al Queda irregulars. " Try 1,500 SF.

As an aside and kudos to Vietnam Vets, During the battle of Hue, the Marines took on 6,000 NVA, killed 5,500 and lost 150 Marines. At Khe Sanh, over 10,000 enemy dead, maybe 15,000, at a cost of 200. The same working and middle class Americans that brought you mass production farming, auto assembly will now bring you, as in the past, death. Enemies never learn.

36 posted on 08/16/2002 1:46:20 PM PDT by Leisler
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To: SMEDLEYBUTLER
If these clowns lived during WW2, no doubt they would have said that invading Iwo Jima was impossible. As a USMC tank platoon commander in Gulf War I, I'd rather go back and finish the job so my son won't have to.
37 posted on 08/16/2002 1:50:21 PM PDT by jps098
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To: ProudAmerican2
No discredited sources at all. It's no surprise what he's doing. After Iraq we should do an about-face to the south and take down the House of Saud.

Scott Ritter. You talk about a traitor.

38 posted on 08/16/2002 1:51:20 PM PDT by rdb3
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To: rightwing2
Too many Americans dismiss the Iraqi military machine after the seemingly easy victory of 1991 during Operation Desert Storm

And we dismiss it for good reason. The members of my local gun club could probably destroy the Iraqi Republican Guard in less than a week.

Listening to the Novaks and Buchanans of the world spout off a decade ago about how we shouldn't undersestimate the Iraqi war machine was laughable, and they (of course) were shown to be dead wrong. Now, a decade later, the Iraqi forces are at a fraction of the "strength" the were then, so what makes (some) people think that things will be more difficult for us this time? The fact that Saddam probably has a lot more WMD's and is mad enough to use them? Well, that's precisely why it's in our best interest to destroy whatever is left of their army and overthrow their regime. And as a bonus, other regional repressive regimes might just decide to change their crimminal behavior after seeing the ease with which we conduct and conclude our campaign.

39 posted on 08/16/2002 1:58:10 PM PDT by Mr. Mojo
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To: rdb3
Scott Ritter. You talk about a traitor.

Yep, and a rich traitor at that. That schmuck is being paid off in a big way.

40 posted on 08/16/2002 2:00:29 PM PDT by Mr. Mojo
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