Making colonies out of nation-states

Townhall.com ^ | August 15, 2002 | Paul Craig Roberts

[x]

Ten years ago Eugene McCarthy argued that America was becoming "a colony of the world." Thirty years ago, some forsaw a new dark age or new medieval period, in which, as in the Middle Ages, nations and borders became less important and colonies of various peoples would exist next to each other on the same territories. It sounded like a crazy idea at the time, but now it's here.

[FITZ]

The free flow of people is part of the free flow of goods and services.

Only some of the free flow of people is for that. Much of it is because of miserable conditions in their homelands and things only get worse when so many make an exodus, there is no stability or growth then and conditions get even worse, more and more leave. Those same people that would demand changes that would improve the country leave and things just decline more. It's a vicious cycle.

[RobbyS]

I think you give them too much credit. Most are lazy and let a few fanatics carry their water for them.

[quidnunc]

As is the case in continental Europe, in Britain there is scant difference between the two major political parties.

The major Euro parties agree that certain politically-correct topics — especially immigration and multiculturalism and to a lesser extent crime — are not to become topics of political debate.

Consequently people who believe these are questions of national importance are driven to the wingnut British National Party or Jean-Marie Le Pen's Front National.

[Phillip Augustus]

I agree with your points, but would distinguish the BNP with the French National Front. The BNP appears more extremist than the National Front, and also has economic socialist tendencies. It is sad, but true, that the BNP is the only British party that I am aware of that is fighting to maintain the identity of Britain as a British nation. Though I would not want to see them take power (and they're not going to, anyway) I am pleased that they are beginning to toss a scare into the Tories.

[Interious]

"It is not that the multiCULTuralists don't CARE whether there is an America, an England, a Germany. They are actively HOPING that there is not; and working frantically to achieve said goals. And at this point, they are succeeding."

This is precisely correct. I lurk at democraticunderground.com a lot, and these folks want to scrape the US off the North American continent and replace it with a socialist enclave--not a nation-state, of course.

[cowgirlcutie]

As we've said before, there are many immigrants that don't want to assimilate, they want to tear down our culture. They won't be happy until our country is a third-world country like theirs. In the meantime, they'll use and abuse our system, while tax-paying working people pick up the ticket. I cannot tell you how many "illegal immigrants" have come into doctor offices where I work, saying they have no money to pay and want free service. I wish I could get free service. If I have to pay out-of-pocket and don't have the money, I don't go! If they don't have car insurance, they continue to drive with fake ID's and fake inspection stickers and then hit our car, our insurance then has to pay the bill. If they want to have 7 children and no money to take care of them, they go to the welfare department for food stamps, while the rest of us limit our family size so that we can properly take care of our children. If they have too many children to buy sufficient school supplies, then they rely on families who do provide their children's school supplies, to supply the "community chest" at school with pencils, kleenex, etc. It just goes on and on and it's sad that they have such a lack of respect.

[Travis McGee]

The American Southwest is going to be "Big Kosovo" in 15 years.

[Deb]

Sorry to say, the Spectator ain't that influential. It's about two steps behind PUNCH going out of business.

I think Peter Hitchens (my personal fave) writes a weekly column for the Sun, but it may be the Mail. I always forget because I get them all when I'm home.

There is huge section of the Tory party that's conservative, but like the old guard GOP, there are lots of go-along-to-get-along, Bob Michel Tories. I adore Ian Duncan Smith. He blows the Evil Pixie into the popcorn machine during Prime Ministers Questions.

[Deb]

I was going to go on about how the Marxist Brit press would turn any Tory decrying immigration into a wild-eyed Buchanan, Le Pen, Haider or Pim the dead Dane, but I thought it was obvious.

I loved LePen's speech, in his defense, when he said, "Last week I was a respected French politician. This week, I'm the devil." So true.

Unfortunately in the modern political world of Leftwing media control and exported Carville smear campaigns, there remains two kinds of conservative candidates...the kind that is so squeeky clean as to be lifeless and the Nazi.

[Phillip Augustus]

What the media will eventually discover to its dismay is that men like Buchanan and Le Pen are far from wild-eyed, considering what might be on the horizon. When France is 30% Muslim, and it might happen within 25 years, the successors to Le Pen will make Le Pen look like a liberal. Things will get ugly. The solution? Elect Le Pen while there is still time.

[cowgirlcutie]

It's well on its way, that's for sure. When I drive to work to the medical district each morning, I avoid going through the part of town where the illegal immigrants stand, waiting for contractors to hire them, because as you sit at the traffic signals, they like to flip you off and make other "lovely" gestures. The police just ignore it, while they chase people who are trying to get to work each day, so that they can provide the tax dollars to help support our illegal alien community.

[Stultis]

Why do we have to be so politically correct as to not notice the changing demographics, and to furthermore.....like it?

There are alot of things I do like about it. Immigrants are, on average, much younger the native population in America, and are more likely (even adjusting for their younger age) to be employed. Take Pakistanis, for example. First and second generation immigrants from this poor, third world country actually earn more than the average American (same is true of Indians, who have very similar demographics as far as immigrants). Why? Because they are the most highly educated immigrant group America has ever had.

Not that facts matter to the hysterical anti-immigrant paleo-conservatives, or their friends in the big labor left.

[Phillip Augustus]

Yes, there's absolutely no doubt we need more Paki Mohammedeans, since, after all, diversity is our greatest strength. diversity is wonderful, and since everyone else in America outside of Berkeley was devasted by 9/11, we benefit from a bunch of Mohammedeans celebrating it. Diversity, see?

[Deb]

I'm with you.

[Stultis]

Since they believe in free trade they are forced to also favor open borders. The free flow of people is part of the free flow of goods and services.

Nonsense. People are not goods and services. Free flow of goods and services renders free flow of people unnecessary.

Nope. Sorry, but jpsb is right (in this limited respect) about us neo-cons, and your claim is nonsense.

Of course there is a labor market, just as there are markets for goods and services. How do you think you and your employer reach an agreement about your wages and benefits, and why do you think those are generally comensurate with those of other workers who share your educational, skill and productivity level, yet may vary from region to region? Anytime individuals or economic entitities reach agreements about prices, whether it be the price of a pound of bananas, or the price for the services of a lathe operator, you have a market operating.

Equally clearly, the movement of laborers (or their entries into or out of different occupations) certainly does effect the labor market.

BTW (leaving aside, just for the moment, the need for greater security due to the threat of terrorism) tightening up our border with Mexico has actually made the immigration problem worse. Your average Mexican peasant understands the labor market much better than you appear to. He comes to the America (yes, often crossing the border illegally) when there are jobs to be had. When jobs are not available he heads back to Mexico where he can live cheaply, or use the money he earned in America to buy building materials for the home he is building for his retirement.

Study after study has shown that the population of Mexican illegals in America at any one time tracks the job market almost exactly. That is, it did until we began to tighten up the border. Now illegals know that if they leave America it may be nearly impossible, or at least very expensive or dangerous, to return. Now, instead of traveling back and forth, tracking the labor market, they stay regardless, and, when the labor market is down, consume food stamps rather than contribute withholding taxes.

What we "neo-cons" believe, or at least what this neo-con believes, is that a sensible immigration policy is one that will allow as many who are willing to work, and able to find and keep work, to come to the country and remain in the country. IOW, fill the available job market with legal immigrants. At the same time paths to citizenship which are transparent and available to all with a clean record as visa holders, but which require a thorough education in American governance and values, should be made available.

[junta]

Really? How many billions do we admit?

[quidnunc]

Deb wrote: I think Peter Hitchens (my personal fave) writes a weekly column for the Sun, but it may be the Mail.

Hitchens writes for The Mail on Sunday.

This is the URL of his home page:

http://www.peterhitchens.com/home.html

[FreedomFriend]

Let me ask you something? Why do you support the invasion of America? Why do you support the complete disregard for the sovereignty of the United States? Why, after the extreme costs ensued to Americans as a result of illegal immigration, do you support this? Lastly, after the effects of illegal immigration are visibly seen, why do you hold such views?

Please answer all of the above questions.