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Making colonies out of nation-states
Townhall.com ^ | August 15, 2002 | Paul Craig Roberts

Posted on 08/15/2002 8:59:01 AM PDT by Korth

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To: FreedomFriend
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21 posted on 08/15/2002 1:27:56 PM PDT by rightofrush
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To: Deb
But there are two signifigant other reasons, aside from fear of a Leftist media, that the respective stupid Parties of America and Britain (and France, and Denmark, etc, etc) will not speak out.

1. There is a signifigant number of elitists in the Stupid Parties of the West which believe that mass Turd World immigration can work with a policy of assimiliation (as if that was ever going to happen, or as if it were true anyway).

2. There is a need for a pro-business political party to court the cheap labor industry.

Thus, the Stupid Parties will do nothing except possibly slow the bleeding a bit. Third parties are going to pick up the slack, especially in Europe...I can only pray that they are led by decent men such as Buchanan, Le Pen, Fortuyn, and Haider (or for that matter women like Pia Kjaersgaard) instead of the true fascists. Time will tell.

22 posted on 08/15/2002 1:29:09 PM PDT by Phillip Augustus
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To: Elsie
Although there were many misguided American Indians who believed that they would not be colonized by Europeans (and a couple of Aztecs as well, most notably Montezuma), ultimately the Indians fought like hornets to prevent it.

They ultimately lost. They did not have the technological or military wherewithal to prevent it.

In every single Western homeland, we have more than enough power to stop it. The question is, are we so cowardly and stupid that we will refuse to do so?

23 posted on 08/15/2002 1:31:58 PM PDT by Phillip Augustus
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To: ken5050
Makes you wonder why the Tories wouldn't run on a pledge to absolutely ban all immigration into Britain for, say,10 years.....

Could it be for the same reason that the GOP won't touch the same thing?

Orders from headquarters, don'chaknow.

24 posted on 08/15/2002 1:32:17 PM PDT by rightofrush
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To: jpsb
Since they believe in free trade they are forced to also favor open borders. The free flow of people is part of the free flow of goods and services.

Nonsense. People are not goods and services. Free flow of goods and services renders free flow of people unnecessary.

25 posted on 08/15/2002 2:05:39 PM PDT by traditionalist
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To: ex-snook
After a smearing by the Neo-Con Men, the last candidate to sound an Ameican first position got .5% of the vote. I voted for Pat, I wish most people did. Pat's Death of the West explains it all. Cheap labor transnational corporations and foreign political war interests control the politicans. Remember in November.

Pat's mistake is that he went the 3rd party route, and 3rd parties simply cannot have an impact in this country. The design of our political system only allows for 2 major parties. Hence the only way to get anywhere is to work from within the parties. Unfortunately, immigration restrictionists haven't been doing this, Tom Tancredo being a notable exception.

26 posted on 08/15/2002 2:09:14 PM PDT by traditionalist
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To: ex-snook
Did you notice the recent New York Times article documenting the effect of immigration on the median wage?
27 posted on 08/15/2002 2:10:26 PM PDT by sarcasm
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To: traditionalist
"Pat's mistake is that he went the 3rd party route, and 3rd parties simply cannot have an impact in this country. "

You have to factor in that Pat was effectively kicked out of the GOP when he could not do a platform speech (like Keyes was this time, only Keyes doesn't realize it yet). Pat was blamed that his 1992 speech, essentially about the same topic as this thread, was blamed for the defeat of the GOP.

I think Pat knew a third party cannot possible raise the funds needed to win but he hoped to be in the debates to bring this and other ignored issues to the table.

As for working with the party, remember Bobdole would not even read the platform prepared by the grass roots. If a voter cannot even move the pile, I say let a third party be the spoiler, the message might eventually register.

28 posted on 08/15/2002 2:26:25 PM PDT by ex-snook
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To: Deb
Deb wrote: …Like here, the media (except for a couple newspapers) are controlled by the Left. Both the Beebs are run by the government and the government in power is Labour (Socialist).

The influential magazine The Spectator is comparatively conservative, as are the broadsheets The Telegraph and The Times.

The #1-selling newspaper in Britain, the tabloid The Sun is like its lead columnist Richard Littlejohn, generally conservative in outlook though not necessarily Tory in politics.

The Torys are after all not all that conservative by our lights.

29 posted on 08/15/2002 2:36:31 PM PDT by quidnunc
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To: Korth
The tax burdens on native-born whites will rise to meet the needs of the poor immigrants.

Native born blacks, too, who's families have been here as long or longer than many whites. The eighties and nineties saw the black middle class finally growing by leaps & bounds - just in time to help foot the bill for the aforementioned invasion.

They ought to be screaming the loudest.

30 posted on 08/15/2002 2:46:04 PM PDT by skeeter
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To: FreedomFriend
Any nation can assimilate foreigners into their culture. Two things are preventing (or at least retarding) that assimilation in the United States.

First, the tidal wave of immigrants, mostly illegal, is simply more than we can bear. With no place to go, few resources, and no legal presence, these interlopers place a tremendous burden on our social infrastructure, especially since their shadowy existence puts them at odds with accepted, conventional social norms.

Secondly, they have an artificial protection from assimilation in the form of Political Correctness. They are not only ALLOWED their ethnic individuality, it is ENCOURAGED. Therein lies the source of the fragmentation. The adopted society is forced to bend around their values rather than vice versa. Consequently, the subculture never accommodates the majority culture and intact ethnic enclaves crop up. Where the foreign culture collides with the normative culture, tension arises, conflict results, and the majority culture is pilloried as "intolerant" or "xenophobic."

The solution is CONTROLLED immigration, already unapologeticaly in practice everywhere else in the world. No other nation on earth feels compelled to open its borders to any flotsam than can wash up. But in the United States, any suggestion that we may not want the refuse from every third-world tubercular ward, insane asylum, or prison is met with cries of "racist" and "isolationist."

The current system does little for the illegals, and nothing at all for America. Why do we have immigration laws if we're not going to enforce them?

31 posted on 08/15/2002 2:51:50 PM PDT by IronJack
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To: FreedomFriend
Multiculturalists are people who have been uprooted by their education and personal associations from the soil that nurtured them. They care nothing about the past or dorthe future, for that matter, living only for the day. Does it matter to them if, a hundred years from now, there is an England, an America, or a Germany? Of course, not. They do not even reproduce themselves, because that would make them responsible for providing for the future.
32 posted on 08/15/2002 2:55:45 PM PDT by RobbyS
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To: FreedomFriend
Why are they even allowed to come here? Their cultures are vastly different than that of the west.

PC has taken hold

You answered your own question with those two little letters. If there are any other reasons, I would like to know what they are.

33 posted on 08/15/2002 2:58:37 PM PDT by Mark17
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To: quidnunc
I can think of a British political party, led by one Nick Griffin, that tells the truth about the immigration crisis, and has a program to deal with it. Unfortunately, it is a borderline-Nazi party that I couldn't support...let's hope that either the Tories (fat chance, though) or another party emerges with their immigration policy. If not, this group will only grow in power.
34 posted on 08/15/2002 2:58:46 PM PDT by Phillip Augustus
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To: skeeter
They are bearing the brunt of this invasion, and many blacks in America know it. Their so-called leaders, however, are so eager to see Whitey become a minority by the year 2050, or better yet, sooner than that, that they are going along with the program, oblivious or uncaring of the fact that the Invasion is costing hundred of thousands of working-class black Americans either a decent wage or even a job at all.
35 posted on 08/15/2002 3:01:00 PM PDT by Phillip Augustus
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To: RobbyS
It is not that the multiCULTuralists don't CARE whether there is an America, an England, a Germany. They are actively HOPING that there is not; and working frantically to achieve said goals. And at this point, they are succeeding.
36 posted on 08/15/2002 3:02:43 PM PDT by Phillip Augustus
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To: Mark17
Cheap labor is another answer.
37 posted on 08/15/2002 3:03:11 PM PDT by Phillip Augustus
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38 posted on 08/15/2002 3:05:12 PM PDT by Phillip Augustus
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To: Phillip Augustus
Cheap labor is another answer.

Yes, others?

39 posted on 08/15/2002 3:05:53 PM PDT by Mark17
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To: Elsie
American Indian bump!

Living proof of what lack of immigration control gets you.

40 posted on 08/15/2002 3:10:26 PM PDT by FITZ
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