Creation/Evolution in the News

Various ^ | 8/9/2002 | JennyP

[Dimensio]

Yeah, and atheism/paganism hasn't had a new idea in 7000 or so years. You know; infanticide, genocide, pedophilia, whatever. Humans are just material. Do with them what you want.

Your 'list' is hardly a representative of the 'ideals' of paganism (which is too diverse to have beliefs and ideals summed up in any list) nor is it an accurate description of the atheism (which has no inherent ideals).

[whattajoke]

Someone please ping Medved as this thread won't be complete without his bat story. </sarcasm> Sigh... Once again we have Goof3000 post that no one has ever answered his claim about Nobel prizes and all that nonsense (Geeze, I must have read a refutation of that about 10x in the last 4 months). I have to say once again that the more ridiculous/impossible/insane the statement, the more secure the poster can be that no one will answer him. And he can continue to live in his fantasy world full of blue words and pursuing the sinners.

[general_re]

"Gott mit uns" placemarker...

[Junior]

"Kill them all. God will know His own" placemarker.

[Phaedrus]

Atheism: the Big Lie of the [Bloody] 20th Century.

Welcome ... to the fray ... ;-} Yes, Atheism kills but this fact does not go down well with the Evols. Dawkins, their most notorious living proponent, is an Atheist first and an Evolutionist second. Well, sounds like religion to me, and it is thus no wonder the Evols so vehemently attack "creationists" instead of defending their failed "science".

[Phaedrus]

Ok. Fair enough. Lay out your case, i.e. metaphysics, epistemology, ontology and thus ethics. I'm interested.

You are very quickly going to encounter heavy sophistry. Hope you're a good debater. The splicing and dicing of nuances are their forte. You've already seen a question answered with a question.

[Phaedrus]

And you deserve an award of some sort -- Patrick has yet to call me an idiot but I've heard him think it many times.

[Dimensio]

Yes, Atheism kills but this fact does not go down well with the Evols.

Atheism is nothing more than a lack of belief in deities. It implies no specific economic, political or ethical philosophy.

Evolution is not atheism. Atheism is not evolution.

Both of those have been reiterated so many times that repeating them now is a deliberate utterance of a lie.

[HumanaeVitae]

I've never debated him before, but it's all the same. Libertarians want all the goodies of Christendom (free will, charity, capitalism, decency, the rule of law) and none of the obligations (sexual self-restraint, not defiling the body with drugs, alcohol, pornography, homosexuality, etc). In other words, a free lunch.

Anyway, atheism overlayed on a society always ends in might-makes-right.

Always, always, always.

Always.

Cheers, HV

[HumanaeVitae]

"Atheism: the Big Lie of the [Bloody] 20th Century"

The best term I have ever heard applied to the 20th Century is this: "Hemoclysm", i.e. a "flood of blood". The 20th Century was a nightmare. Why? Idealism.

[PatrickHenry]

Patrick has yet to call me an idiot but I've heard him think it many times.

Your new friend strongly implied, in his post 31, that I'm an atheist, a communist and that Stalin is one of my "intellectual confreres." Thus my response. Given the false and intentionally malicious nature of his allegations, my response was entirely appropriate. Quite restrained, actually. You and I don't agree on much (well, maybe we do on economics, defense, and constitutional issues), but you've never spewed like that. And I don't think I've ever tossed an insult your way.

[Dimensio]

"But, wait, wait I'm not a communist!"
You're an atheistic materialist

Communism is not atheism and atheism is not communism. Materialism is not communism and communism is not materialism. You are a liar for propigating such a well-debunked falsehood.

[general_re]

Marker...

[HumanaeVitae]

Main Entry: ma·te·ri·al·ism Pronunciation: m&-'tir-E-&-"li-z&m Function: noun Date: 1748 1 a : a theory that physical matter is the only or fundamental reality and that all being and processes and phenomena can be explained as manifestations or results of matter;

On the communism part, please show me one non-atheistic communist regime.

And, by the way, I've been promoted from idiot to liar. Maybe in a few more posts I'll get bumped up to "shmendrick".

[Dimensio]

Main Entry: ma·te·ri·al·ism Pronunciation: m&-'tir-E-&-"li-z&m Function: noun Date: 1748 1 a : a theory that physical matter is the only or fundamental reality and that all being and processes and phenomena can be explained as manifestations or results of matter;

The above definition is accurate. I don't see how it relates in any way to communism.

On the communism part, please show me one non-atheistic communist regime.

I'll look for some (I've heard of at least one, but the name escapes me at the moment). Whether or not any exist is irrelevant however, as it has no bearing on whether or not communism is atheism. Communism is an economic philosophy, atheism is merely a lack of belief in deities. Asserting that a person who lacks belief in deities must also necessarily subscribe to any specific economic (or political or ethical) system is either a statement of foolishness or a statement of great dishonesty.

[PatrickHenry]

I'll look for some [non-atheistic communist regimes](I've heard of at least one, but the name escapes me at the moment).

I can think of a couple. First, there's always the cheerful example of Jim Jones' People's Temple in Jonestown. They were self-proclaimed bible communists. Then there was the Plymouth Plantation. Anyone who reads William Bradford's diary about the early times of that settlement knows that the Mayflower passengers were bible communists, and that's how they organized themselves when they first arrived. Facing failure and starvation, they switched to privately-owned farms, and prospered ever after. There have been other bible-communist settlements, but I can't think of them just now. Anyway, the Mayflower passengers weren't atheists. And thus, anyone claiming that all communists are atheists is a flaming idiot.

[general_re]

There have been other bible-communist settlements, but I can't think of them just now.

The Kibbutzim of modern Israel come to mind - Kibbutzim based on religion existed and continue to exist, although many are and were non-religious.

[PatrickHenry]

other bible-communist settlements

And I think some monastic orders are also communes. I'm not certain of this, but I've read it somewhere.

[general_re]

I believe that most Buddhist monastaries, and many Greek Orthodox ones, are essentially communal arrangements.

[Junior]

An entire movement of Christianty-based communism has torn apart Latin-America.