Posted on 08/02/2002 5:34:12 PM PDT by veronica
My wife is strange by Jewish standards. She grew up in a moderately-leftist Jewish household. At 18, when she was eligible to vote, she registered as a Libertarian, and has voted Republican/Libertarian ever since
Jewish males are starting to wake up to the fact that they are just "white males" per EEOC guidelines -- and as such are an officially persecutable minority. Jews may have a long memory when college "quotas", as applied to Jews, meant a MAXIMUM tolerated percentage, rather than a minimum
The problem is self-correcting long-term. Notice how many children "Streisand, Friedan, etal" have had? Orthodox Jews may have large families, but leftist Jews generally don't. Usually one at most, often none
I have a friend like that. She said the jewish voter is still voting for FDR and if they would come out of their FDR mentality they would all vote republican if they looked at the facts and didn't vote on ancient history.
I well remember the Schoharie Creek bridge collapse, which was carried the Thruway over a small river (a bit too big to be called a creek in my book). It was during Mario's 16-year reign and my memory has faded, but I think at least one person was killed, and maybe three.
Anyway, it just recently occurred to me that the bridge repair program was necessary because under Cuomo-daddy, the infrastructure of the state was just completely ignored. Bridges and roadways don't vote, so why spend a dime on them... I'm quite sure this is how Mario thought.
Another thing that occurred to me is that these are not the best of economic times in NY, but Pataki is following through with the repair program just the same. The amount of work being done this summer seems to be identical to what was done last summer.
(steely)
I've been talking with a friend of mine about this for a long time. It seems the closer you are to being Jewish blue-collar, the more you'll vote Republican (or at least not vote democRATic). His father sold suits, his wife's father ran a gas station. He's a college dropout and a Vietnam vet (Riverine Nine, Mekong Delta, class of '68).
We've come to the conclusion that the democRAT party sells itself to Jews as "of course we'll tax you, steal from you, and keep your children out of the good colleges. But you know we'll do that. If you vote Republican, they might establish a religious dictatorship, and put you in the death camps. After all, that's what Hitler did when he made Germany a theocracy. So vote for us, because we will only rob and screw you. Or vote Republican, and risk being turned into soap."
This view is borne out by some of the leftists in an online discussion group I belong to. As one woman put it, "the First Ammendment requires the government to protect me from people who have religious views. The Separation of Church and State requires them to keep under constant surveillance anybody who has ever expressed any opinion that might have been influenced by a religious principle. The greatest evils in this world have all come from Christianity, and if a person has considered any form of religious thought, the rest of their thinking is suspect, because there is no way of knowing if their other thoughts have been influenced by religious beliefs. Therefore, they're a threat to me, and I'll vote for any party that promises to keep an eye on them."
This woman to this day believes she's in greater danger from the Christian channels on cable TV than from the taliban and Osama. She'll gladly let the RATs rob her blind, as long as they promise to watch the "religious right". She's a walking poster girl for the RATs appeal to leftist Jews.
As my buddy says, "I've got a stainless steel .38, a Winchester riot shotgun, and a buddy to watch my back. Why should I be afraid?"
I guess all those centuries of the Inquisition, witch trials, ghettos, pograms, and all the other horrors of unsecularized fundamentalist tyrrany are still remembered. I'm a from a strickly WASP/Catholic background, and I am definitely secularized where religion is concerned. I am definitely not a fundamentalist.
It is clear to me that Western Civilization has reached a zenith of tolerance, good will, freedom, and democratic principles unimaginable at any other time in history; that Middle America and Israel are its bastions; that it is worth living for and dying for; and that freedom-loving people must unite in its defense. I hope they will. Its enemies are overtly intent on its destruction.
Actually, I don't think that's the main reason. Liberals, and especially Jewish liberals, treat liberalism as a religion, and government as god. Thus the party of government, the democRATS, become apostles and prophets of that religion. Government, and the party, can no longer be fallible, so healthy skepticism is impossible.
Secondly, the democRAT party has the unique ability to not only define itself, but the pubbies, too. Witness all the concerned advice they give the GOP to prevent its extinction. Republicans have no real agreement as to what their party means, as witnessed here on FR. But democRATS know exactly what's wrong with the GOP, and constantly offer suggestions, out of concern that their opposition will harm itself.
Liberals are profoundly religious, even if they claim to be secular. The federal government is their god, and Bill and Hitlery are his prophets. Thus when they're told that the "religious right" is a threat to their very existence, they listen and obey, even while they know that many liberal policies will hurt them directly. Better the devil you know ....
Of course this question is naive. Throughout history people have worshipped the very thing that threatens, endangers, and exploits them. Witness the "god" of Islam. Witness Kali. Witness Sobek, the deified crocodile, obviously terrifying, of ancient Egypt, and Anubis, the deified jackel that dug up their mummies and ate them, thus depriving them of eternal life.
The best of government is a necessary evil that enforces its power with violence and the threat of violence, and government can be fickle--your protector at one time, your exploiter another.
I think you have touched on something that has puzzled me: how can intelligent and clear-thinking people place so much confidence in government? Unless they are somehow convinced that they can control it and thereby control the population in general.
I think government is like a power tool. A router is a great tool for certain projects, but it was never intended to do all things for all people. When you try to use that power router to open cans, trim your toenails, and drive nails, bad things will eventually happen.
The other problem is that liberals have subordinated their lives to the power tool of government, and work hard to make sure everybody else does, too. They forgot that men made the tool to serve them, and not the opposite. In that sense, a liberal is like a cargo cultist in some primitive society, in that they worship a tool, and attribute magical properties to it.
From dealing with my 84 year old mom, I'm guessing that nothing will change an entrenched world-view. On the upside, they're steadily dying of old age, so as long as the younger generation is OK, the problem is self-correcting.
Karl Rove does not agree
Well History does not agree with Karl Rove.
Let’s take a look at some Moses history.
The Sons of Israel ask God to get them out from under the thumb of the evil Pharaoh.
God hears them and tries to convince Pharaoh to let go with the staff to snake, Nile to blood, frogs, gnats, flies, cattle, boiles, Flaming hail killing every thing in the fields, Locusts, darkness And the big one. The firstborn of everything not protected by following God command. Which is now called Passover.
So after the destroyer Passed over the marked lintel. And Pharaoh tells them to get going. They leave Egypt. With:
“ The LORD was going before them in a pillar of cloud by day to lead them on the way, and in a pillar of fire by night to give them light, that they might travel by day and by night. “
Now Pharaoh had a change of heart And When out to get them back. After God had done all these thing already what’s the first thing they say:
“ they said to Moses, "Is it because there were no graves in Egypt that you have taken us away to die in the wilderness? Why have you dealt with us in this way, bringing us out of Egypt? “
Wow not even a thank you. But then what does God do for them. He move his pillar of fire to block the Egyptians. And has Moses part the waters of the Red Sea. And after they all get to the other side. God lets the Egyptians start to chase them into the sea. but then closes the water on them. If that wasn’t enough God provides them with water & food. There still complain. God Defeats the Amalek for them.
So what do the Sons of Israel do after seeing all God had done for them And Moses left them alone to go have a talk With God.
They make them selves a Golden Calf and worshipped it. What a way to say thanks. Now this theme has been repeater over and over.
So ya we hear one thing now. But I just don’t see Barbara Streisand Voting R anytime soon.
And you spelled "their" wrong.
Well sorry.
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