Income Tax Withholding Called 'Triumph of Big Government'

CNSNews.com ^ | August 02, 2002 | Christine Hall

[patton]

My wife came up with a novel solution to income tax, alternative-minimum-tax, and whatnot. She quit her 60K job, and said screw it, I would rather stay home.

But ya'll go ahead - keep on paying.

[VRW Conspirator]

"This withholding revolution represents the ultimate triumph of big government at the expense of the taxpayer," said Mark Schmidt...

Bingo!

[VRW Conspirator]

The elimination of withholding would force the government to hire more federal law enforcers to deal with tax delinquents and government itself wouldn't be able to count on enough money coming in to pay for its many programs, said McIntyre.

...And...would have to cut government...oh, my!

[irv]

If you take a big whack out of the tax system for no apparent reason other than to cheer up some dishonest people, well then what do you do?

Note the sly attack: only dishonest people want the government to take away less in taxes. And Liberals wonder why they tend to annoy us honest people so much!

[Who dat?]

The best idea I've heard was to end mandatory withholding and have the lump sum due the day before election day.

That would require some changes...

[Boonie Rat]

have the lump sum due the day before election day.

That would lead to some lynchings :)

Boonie Rat

MACV SOCOM, PhuBai/Hue '65-'66

[Hessian]

I say KEEP the withholding - BUT deposit it into an individual TAX account at the taxpayer's local bank and let it draw interest. On April 15th, we pay one lump sum and keep the interest.

We also move election day to the first Tuesday after April 15th - and move Inauguration Day all over the country to July 4th.

[Nuke'm Glowing]

" The elimination of withholding would force the government to hire more federal law enforcers to deal with tax delinquents and government itself wouldn't be able to count on enough money coming in to pay for its many programs, said McIntyre. "

Let's highlight some recent programs that they really needed this money and just had to have:

1. The USDA dairy assistance program for Jim Jeffords and the Wisconsin dairy mafia.
2. Additions to the "counter-terrorism" bill that provides $2.5 million for mapping Hawaiian coral reefs, $11 million to bail out New England fishermen – whose catch has fallen in recent years – $26.8 million for the U.S Geological Survey to map U.S. cities, $1 billion for Pell grants and $2 million for the Smithsonian to build a new warehouse for animal specimens preserved in formaldehyde.
3. Senate FY 2002 Supplemental

Require Agriculture Department to fund report of Dog Dealers Task Force as it relates to violations of puppy breeding. $2,000,000. - Research related to mad cow disease. $2,500,000. - Vaccine trials related to foot and mouth disease. $3,000,000. - Cattle genome sequencing. Re-deploy departmental funds to sustain Honey Bee research on tracheal mites. $85,000,000. - Office of Community Oriented Policing Services (COPS) Interoperable Communications Technology program, to be designed and implemented by the COPS office. This amount is $85,000,000 above the budget request. $50,000,000. -Construction of the National Animal Disease Laboratory, Ames, Iowa. $19,022,000. - Animal health surveillance. $21,550,000. - Pest detection activities. $100,000,000 - Recovery operations of the Watershed Protection Program. Re-deploy departmental funds to sustain the Senior Farmers' Market Nutrition Program which encourages senior's to purchase fresh produce. $450,000,000. - Office of Justice Programs to establish an election reform grant program. $3,000,000. - National Ocean Service to enhance the National Water Level Observation. $21,400,000. - National Ocean Service to address mapping and charting backlog. $7,200,000. - A supercomputer backup system for the National Oceanic and Atmosphere Administration. $11,000,000. - Economic assistance for the New England fishing industry. $25,000,000 - Washington Metropolitan Area Transit Authority for a back-up operations control center. $10,000,000. - Army Corps of Engineers to assist with the recovery efforts resulting from flooding in Southern West Virginia, Eastern Kentucky and Southwestern Virginia. $700,000. - Biomass project at Winona, Mississippi. Department of Energy to award a contract for the design, construction and operation of facilities for the conversion and disposition of depleted uranium hexafluroide on each of the sites of the gaseous diffusion plants at Paducah, Kentucky and Portsmouth, Ohio. $3,000,000. - Department of Interior, Bureau of Reclamation for drilling five wells in Santa Fe, NM. $50,000,000. - Humanitarian, refugee, and reconstruction assistance for the West Bank and Gaza. $34,000,000. - United Nations Population Fund. (approved in last budget) $412,000. - Fish and Wildlife Service through resource management for continuity of operations at the National Conservation Training Center. $765,000. - Security needs at the Clark R. Bavin National Fish and Wildlife Forensics Laboratory. $20,000,000 - Provided to the Survey for high resolution mapping and imagery of the Nation's most strategic cities and $6,776,000 is provided to the Earth Resources Observation System Data Center (EDC). Of the amounts provided to EDC, $6,000,000 is for storage infrastructure upgrades to convert all archived data on outdated types of media to disk-based storage, and $776,000 is provided for an improved backup power supply system that will ensure the uninterrupted delivery of satellite data. $2,000,000. - Initiate the planning and design of an alcohol collection storage facility located in Suitland, Maryland for The Smithsonian's collections of preserved animal species. Clarify the grant for the New Mexico Telecommunications Call Center Training Consortium that was provided in the Consolidated Appropriations Act, 2001 by June 30, 2002. $43,000,000. - Grants to AMTRAK. $20,000,000 to repair damaged passenger equipment, and $23,000,000 for the heavy overhaul of the rail passenger fleet. $4,400,000,000. - Increase in spending for Highway Program for fiscal year 2003. General provision clarifying the re-alignment of funds for a highway project in Mississippi made eligible for enhancement funds in the Transportation Appropriations Act for fiscal year 2001. $2,750,000. - Delaware River Port project and the Philadelphia, PA (Drexel) project. $2,000,000. - Customs Service to monitor and investigate the importation in the U.S. products made with forced labor. $80,000,000. -Cerro Grande Fire Claims to cover the remaining liability resulting from the fire. $2,500,000. - Coral Reef program to conduct coral mapping in the waters of the Hawaiian Islands. Re-deploy funds to the Incarcerated Youth Offenders program grants to State correctional agencies to assist incarcerated youth acquire literacy and job skills. $1,000,000. - Conversion of low-income subsidized housing property in Baltimore, Maryland to student housing. $11,000,000. - For OSHA Training Grants to continue non-competitively the previous year's grantees. $750,000. - Clarify previously appropriated funds to the Smart Start Child Care Center and Expertise School at Las Vegas, Nevada.

We could go on and on. But while my parents suffer declines in their 401K, they are considered "wealthy" so my Mom can't retire and has to continue to work, while my Dad gets penalized if he earns more than $10,000 per year. Yeah, the tax code is the ultimate in fairness and government efficiency. Oh, and I pulled these samples of those high priority government programs from FR feeds.

[Libertarianize the GOP]

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[thmiley]

My wife came up with a novel solution to income tax, alternative-minimum-tax, and whatnot. She quit her 60K job, and said screw it, I would rather stay home.

Talk radio host Neal Boortz once pointed out that if the most productive members of society were to just take a year off or voluntarily reduce their income, they could devastate the budget of the Federal Government.

I wonder how far off we are from the "Atlas Shrugged" scenario?

[patton]

17 minutes, or as soon as the kids leave for school, I quit.

[mlocher]

i know a michigan legislator who many years ago submitted a constitutional amendment to do away with the federal income tax. she was audited several years in a row, and each time the agent, a different one each time, let her know that her name was remembered as the one who tried to do away with their jobs.

[Zon]

"We need to collect the taxes. If they aren't withheld, a lot of people will cheat," said McIntyre.

A national retail sales tax (NRST) can't be cheated anymore than the current state sales taxes are cheated -- which is to say very little. McIntyre sounds like a typical self-serving bureaucrat.

Robert S. McIntyre, director of the liberal Citizens for Tax Justice, would be one such adversary.... The elimination of withholding would force the government to hire more federal law enforcers to deal with tax delinquents and government itself wouldn't be able to count on enough money coming in to pay for its many programs, said McIntyre.

With an NRST those problems would not exist. Yes, McIntyre is just like a politician or bureaucrat  fabricating boogieman problems that need not exist.

If you take a big whack out of the tax system for no apparent reason other than to cheer up some dishonest people, well then what do you do? Borrow the money?

Well, the money is being extorted from people in the first place so allowing them to keep more of what is already theirs only makes for honest justice. And the government doesn't bower the money it cuts back if not eliminates some big government programs. Eventually to the point of the only thing government does is protect private property/individual rights.

[WaterDragon]

And here's how it all started. Greedy power-hungry politicians and bureaucrats.

[lewislynn]

Talk radio host Neal Boortz once pointed out that if the most productive members of society were to just take a year off or voluntarily reduce their income, they could devastate the budget of the Federal Government.

It doesn't have to be voluntary. Productive members of society are being layed off everyday, and it's having a huge effect on local,state, federal budgets.

[quietolong]

I know how you feel.
Is I’m building a house I’m staying in an apartment complex That. Well let’s just say not every one here needs to pay rent. And you know the funny thing is one way you can tell those who don’t pay live. On a hot day there the ones with an air conditioner humming as I stand by a fan and try to cool off.
As I have a old TV with rabbet ears. There complaining that the cable Co. want’s to unplug ( or did ) them because they want there money. Or as my family counts pennies for food and sees what’s on sale this week. The Swanen’s truck is backing up to there door. ( a gourmet food CO. with gourmet prices goes door-to-door and takes food stamps )

I could go on & on & on but why get more PO ed. Would you like to know a real kicker..

2 Two years ago my wife took a part time job for a short time with Head Start Cleaning up after the classes. For $5.00 hr. She finds out that Head Start PAYS The mothers $15 bucks to bring there little brats in ( and they are some of the most miss behaved kids) And has Donuts & coffee for them as they wait. ( I guess having 3 kids all different dads make it ok. /s )

I just love it when I come back from paying my property taxed and.. Well I did said I won’t go on & on.

But I know what you mean. Some time I would like to say the hell with it all too.

[quietolong]

Is=AS

[Taxman]

Good post.

Robert McIntyre is a Communist pig. Any man in this country who believes, as he does, that the vast majority of Americans are dishonest, does not deserve to live in this country and breathe the same air the rest of us breathe!

His contention is that because we are liars and cheats, we need a Gestapo police force to enforce extortionary taxes!

Mr. McIntyre is wrong, dead wrong!

The vast majority of Americans are honest, and if each of us were treated by our government with equality under the law in respect of taxes (i.e., we were all taxed at the same rate), I am confident that the incidence of tax cheating would decline by one or two orders of magnitude.

Do you FReepers realize how poisionous McIntyre's brand of politics is to this country? He and his Communist brethren must be demonized to the point that no one will listen to their claptrap ever again.

The solution to the withholding problem is to replace the Liberal/Socialist/Marxist inspired "from each according to their ability to each according to their need" progressive income tax with a National Retail Sales Tax collected by the states and abolish the IRS!

Under a NRST, each person in America would be FRee to work, earn, save and invest as much money as he/she wanted to, without the heavy hand of government interferring with their individual FReely made economic decisions.

And, so would businesses, because under the NRST, there would be no tax on purchases made by businesses for raw materials and supplies used in the ordinary course of conducting business.

People like Robert McIntyre and his Communist brethren are the enemies of all people who value FReedom and Liberty, and we must ensure that every time he or one of his camp followers speaks, they are called out for their lies and distortions.

World History teaches us that every Communist/Socialist/Fascist politcal/economic scheme tried has been a monstrous failure, responsible for the loss of FReedom and Liberty (economic/political/social slavery and death!) for hundreds of millions of people throughout the world, and the progressive income tax and income tax withholding are part and parcel of the Communist/Socialist/Fascist state!

Please join with me to replace the income tax with a National Retail Sales Tax and abolish the IRS!

“I have sworn upon the altar of God eternal hostility against every form of tyranny over the mind of man.” [Thomas Jefferson, letter to Benjamin Rush, 1800.]

Scrap the Code! Scrap the IRS! Abolish the VLWC!

We will never be a truly FRee people so long as we have the income tax and the IRS.

Click here to help us scrap the Code, scrap the IRS and abolish the VLWC!

You can also click here to find out how to help us replace the income tax with a National Retail Sales Tax and abolish the IRS!

We will never be a truly FRee people so long as we have the income tax and the IRS.

[laredo44]

Robert McIntyre is a Communist pig. Any man in this country who believes, as he does, that the vast majority of Americans are dishonest, does not deserve to live in this country and breathe the same air the rest of us breathe!

Don't be too hard on Robby, he comes by his beliefs rationally. In his cloistered world, most Americans are are liberal or ultra-liberal, like him. Therefore, they are bound to be dishonest.