De-fang marijuana

Arizona Star ^ | 31 July 02 | Rich Lowry

[dtel]

"My view is that if you wish to go the 3000 Ammmendments way with the law, no problem with me. Just know they would add anti-drug Ammendments when they do to have the laws be what they are today. The first position is of what Congress said and the second part is my willing to go along with you the Ammendment method for everything. But it doesn't matter. Drug users get aced out no matter which way the law gets formed as I see it."

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This deserves to be repeated, it is way too rich to just slip into the annals of cyberspace.

[sawsalimb]

Legalize drugs and you could end up with elected officials getting blow jobs in their offices and congressmen running gay prostitution rings from their basements!

True,true...and if they were occupied with amusing themselves,just maybe they wouldn't have quite as much time and energy as they do now. Time and energy,by the way,that's usually devoted to stealing...uhh..."starting programs",that is,to benefit...well..."the people who bought my election for me..."(ohboyohboy...almost told the truth there!!! gotta think up a different stretcher...)

[tacticalogic]

The same arguments for outlawing drugs are used to attempt to outlaw guns (i.e., some people misuse them and use them to harm others so they should be illegal).

Check the threads on the Sawgrass Rebellion. They're fighting the exact same abuse of the Commerce Clause.

[tacticalogic]

My view is that if you wish to go the 3000 Ammmendments way with the law, no problem with me. Just know they would add anti-drug Ammendments when they do to have the laws be what they are today.

Who's "they"? Do you thing Congress amends the Constitution?

[LowOiL]

Stupidity is where you are already at.....

Well I am talking to you..

[TopQuark]

For the vast majority of its users, marijuana is nearly harmless and represents a temporary enthusiasm.

Most marijuana users are between the ages of 18 and 25, and use plummets after age 34,

Which proves thar life after 34 is full of enthusiasm, whereas that of a younger adult is not. Indeed the 18-25 group is well known for the lack of enthusisasm. The members of this group tend to be very mature, measured in their actions and judgements, but... lacking in enthusiasm. This is in sharp contrast to the typically euphoric 40-year-olds.

Now, how much more stupid than this writer can one get?

[laredo44]

Maybe I can answer for him.....Freedom is whatever the government tells you it is.

I believe you're right. He probably said something like, "Freedom, hmmm? Hold on, I have to go ask the tyrannt."

[LowOiL]

A good read, before we lower ourselves to a name calling contest.

Click "HERE" What is wrong with The LP Party

[uncbob]

I would rather be in a crowd of POT smokers than beer drinkers

[EaglesUpForever]

Growing or using marijuana is quite different from Rape... A fundamental ideal of the Constitution and one of the principles that our Founding Fathers fought for is that of liberty and personal freedom. Rape contradicts such liberty, as it is a crime with a victim; the violation of that victim's liberty should obviously be outlawed.

However, in the case of criminalizing the growth of a particular species of plant, that sort of "law" is as anti-American as they get, as someone pointed out it would have landed many of our Funding Fathers in jail, though obviously they would never have abandoned their principles long enough to adopt it.

The dumbed down population of today loves to wave flags but they often have no idea what they stand for.

[TopQuark]

Our law enforcement folk have bigger fish to fry. Sometimes I wonder if they go for the low hanging fruit because its easier than going after real crooks. I don't blame you for repeating the words that one cannot escape hearing all the time. These words, however, are a relatively new invention of various groups that simply do not want law enforcement in this area.

The truth known even to territorial animals is very simple: in order to protect oneself, one has to guard the perimeter. This is why a grizzly attacks you when you step on his land, although you may still be far away from him.

We have failed to live by this simple truth a few decades ago. It started with Vietnam, where we were fighting communism at the perimeter. Later that failure has extended to other areas of life.

In behavior, too, you have to hold your envelope. You have to enforce seemingly minor laws so that other laws are not broken. It is precisely the lack of enforcement that creates a public that has no respect for the law. We have not properly crashed this nonsense and raised several generations of people who think that it is OK to smoke pot; hence view it as a minor issue; hence, being rational, direct expenditure of resources to "bigger fish."

This is not how one fights wars. But we do, and this is why we lose --- first in Vietnam and recently on September 11.

[dtel]

"...name calling contest."

Little late for that isn't it? ;^)

[realpatriot71]

I've never heard of someone committing a crime to get a dime bag.

I have seen my brother make a late payment on his cell phone to get a bag, but never get violent. Most stoners are way to lazy to even pass you the chips . . .

[sawsalimb]

In fact,I think we ought to go ahead and give every legislator in the country prepaid access to 3 or 4 really nice call girls,24/7(Or,for those so inclined,ah...the other option) This would be a heck of a lot cheaper than getting stuck with the bills the idiots run up on various porkbarrel projects and related stuff. We'd also probably get a better class of people running for office.

[jejones]

You forgot the classic..."But a lot of people don't drink to get drunk...they just enjoy the taste."

Yeah, I've seen the drug warriors post that drivel.

In hopes of beating a Drug Warrior thinking of posting that again (I've seen it, too) to the punch, you should pardon the expression: if that were true, then wouldn't all currently alcoholic beverages be sold with the alcohol removed? Even if people don't drink until thoroughly intoxicated, they still get the effects of mild alcohol usage--e.g. lowered inhibitions.

[Ken H]

Oy! Where to begin.

Aside from the Tenth Amendment, there are good reasons for keeping domestic policy decentralized.

When the Federal government screws up, such as educational policies, welfare, social security, and forest management, it is hard to reverse and affects the entire country.

When a State screws up those policies, the ill effects are contained and serve as an example to the rest of the country.

It allows for more trial and error to see what works, while inflicting less overall damage when it fails.

It allows variation so that people can live in States that are more in keeping with their values and beliefs.

It promotes competition and accountability.

[jejones]

Big Woody, lol, but isn't that is next to be allowed in public in the LP society. A woody for underaged kids, a woody for animals, a woody for the same sex sex, and prostitution galore. Drug coffee houses with whatever perversion you want.

Quite the strawman there. I see that you also use the Drug Warrior tactic of labeling anyone opposing prohibition a "pro druggie." I suppose that's a little better than just plain "druggie," but it's just as inaccurate.

[tacticalogic]

In behavior, too, you have to hold your envelope. You have to enforce seemingly minor laws so that other laws are not broken. It is precisely the lack of enforcement that creates a public that has no respect for the law. We have not properly crashed this nonsense and raised several generations of people who think that it is OK to smoke pot; hence view it as a minor issue; hence, being rational, direct expenditure of resources to "bigger fish."

Read post 22. That is the basis for our federal prohibition on marijuana. Respect for the law is directly dependent on people's perception of the law as having been fairly and justifiably arrived at. If we need to "crash nonsense", then we better go back and start at the beginning.

[sawsalimb]

In behavior, too, you have to hold your envelope. You have to enforce seemingly minor laws so that other laws are not broken. It is precisely the lack of enforcement that creates a public that has no respect for the law. We have not properly crashed this nonsense and raised several generations of people who think that it is OK to smoke pot; hence view it as a minor issue; hence, being rational, direct expenditure of resources to "bigger fish."

Laws that make no sense to the public will also,in my opinion,lead to a public that has no respect for the law. This principle was exhibited during the experiment with alchohol prohibition,and every one of us is getting a good look at the same principle in action right now,as we watch the failures and the excesses of the WOD.

[Malcolm]

Pot will never be legalized on a national basis. I am glad. For children and adolescents, it's the best outcome. You poor dopers will just have to get used to drinking, or you'll have to break the law. Nice to see such contradiction from those who condemn others on a daily basis: "Constitution this," "Constitution that," yet it's okay for you to break the law, which most of you are suggesting and encouraging. For you, it is justified, right? The more these potheads speak, the more they prove that their position is wrong on this issue.....