Posted on 07/31/2002 5:20:31 AM PDT by fporretto
Which one of us is dreaming and which is facing reality? I don't dream of a "new" party? I work hard to reform the old one which, whether you like it or not, is the only one with a chance to bring back Constitutional values short of a major societal upheaval or revolution.
I'm not a Libertarian. I'm a Liberal. The federal government unbeknowst to many can in fact collect taxes on, but not regulate, intrastate commerce. The US Constitution specifically gives the US Government the power to directly tax. Originally all taxes had to be at one set rate for the given tax so no one would pay more than anyone else. That is why the 16th amendment was specifically required to make the income tax progressive. You can now have progressive federal sales taxes, etc as well.
You still haven't justified your argument. Taxation != regulation. One is allowed intrastate specifically and the other not. If you are willing to violate the US Constitution to make you feel good then you are a worthless individual who has no more ethics than the Kennedys, Feinsteins and Clintons out there.
A distinction without much of a difference.
The federal government unbeknowst to many can in fact collect taxes on, but not regulate, intrastate commerce.
The Congress makes the following findings and declarations:(1) Many of the drugs included within this title have a useful and legitimate medical purpose and are necessary to maintain the health and general welfare of the American people.
(2) The illegal importation, manufacture, distribution, and possession and improper use of controlled substances have a substantial and detrimental effect on the health and general welfare of the American people.
(3) A major portion of the traffic in controlled substances flows through interstate and foreign commerce. Incidents of the traffic which are not an integral part of the interstate or foreign flow, such as manufacture, local distribution, and possession, nonetheless have a substantial and direct effect upon interstate commerce because--
(A) after manufacture, many controlled substances are transported in interstate commerce,
(B) controlled substances distributed locally usually have been transported in interstate commerce immediately before their distribution, and
(C) controlled substances possessed commonly flow through interstate commerce immediately prior to such possession.
(4) Local distribution and possession of controlled substances contribute to swelling the interstate traffic in such substances.(5) Controlled substances manufactured and distributed intrastate cannot be differentiated from controlled substances manufactured and distributed interstate. Thus, it is not feasible to distinguish, in terms of controls, between controlled substances manufactured and distributed interstate and controlled substances manufactured and distributed intrastate.
(6) Federal control of the intrastate incidents of the traffic in controlled substances is essential to the effective control of the interstate incidents of such traffic.
"...commerce among the states is not a technical legal conception, but a practical one, drawn from the course of business." Mr. Justice Holmes, Swift & Co. v. United States, 196 U.S. 375, 398 , 25 S.Ct. 276, 280.
Ignorance is the bread and butter of libertarianism and liberalism.
You have just shown how stupid you are by admitting that you cannot tell the difference between a leftist and a Liberal. Conservatism is Liberalism without any principles. Simply put, the biggest difference is that there are no political principles Conservatives will fight for.
It is the government's burden to make its case as to why something is within its jurisidiction, not for others why it isn't. Only a statist scumbag thinks along the lines you do.
That's easy. Someone too cowardly and dishonest to admit being a leftist will refer to himself as a "Liberal" or "Progressive."
It is the government's burden to make its case as to why something is within its jurisidiction
Again, easily done:
The Congress makes the following findings and declarations:(1) Many of the drugs included within this title have a useful and legitimate medical purpose and are necessary to maintain the health and general welfare of the American people.
(2) The illegal importation, manufacture, distribution, and possession and improper use of controlled substances have a substantial and detrimental effect on the health and general welfare of the American people.
(3) A major portion of the traffic in controlled substances flows through interstate and foreign commerce. Incidents of the traffic which are not an integral part of the interstate or foreign flow, such as manufacture, local distribution, and possession, nonetheless have a substantial and direct effect upon interstate commerce because--
(A) after manufacture, many controlled substances are transported in interstate commerce,
(B) controlled substances distributed locally usually have been transported in interstate commerce immediately before their distribution, and
(C) controlled substances possessed commonly flow through interstate commerce immediately prior to such possession.(4) Local distribution and possession of controlled substances contribute to swelling the interstate traffic in such substances.
(5) Controlled substances manufactured and distributed intrastate cannot be differentiated from controlled substances manufactured and distributed interstate. Thus, it is not feasible to distinguish, in terms of controls, between controlled substances manufactured and distributed interstate and controlled substances manufactured and distributed intrastate.
(6) Federal control of the intrastate incidents of the traffic in controlled substances is essential to the effective control of the interstate incidents of such traffic.
I'm a Liberal because I adhere to the majority of Locke's doctrines.
(5) Controlled substances manufactured and distributed intrastate cannot be differentiated from controlled substances manufactured and distributed interstate. Thus, it is not feasible to distinguish, in terms of controls, between controlled substances manufactured and distributed interstate and controlled substances manufactured and distributed intrastate
Rubbish. In every single case the government has the burden to prove the source of its evidence is legitimate and that items deemed contraband are in fact within its jurisidiction. How would you like to be on trial and the government taking the attitude that "since it is impossible to tell what firearm committed the crime because someone edged off the grooves inside the barrel (thus totally f@#$ing the ballistics test) we must assume that we no longer need the murder weapon to prove Roscoe's guilt as any grooveless gun of the same calibre would suffice to be the murder weapon since we also think he used gloves to hide his fingerprints." You'd be pretty damn pissed if the judge said that the government wasn't burdened to actually prove its case against you, that you had to prove yours against the government. Congradulations, you've been advocating guilty-until-proven-innocent now for a while. If it is a crime locally, let the state take care of it. Oh that's right, you don't believe states should even exist.
False
"Whosoever, therefore, out of a state of Nature unite into a community, must be understood to give up all the power necessary to the ends for which they unite into society to the majority of the community, unless they expressly agreed in any number greater than the majority. And this is done by barely agreeing to unite into one political society, which is all the compact that is, or needs be, between the individuals that enter into or make up a commonwealth. And thus, that which begins and actually constitutes any political society is nothing but the consent of any number of freemen capable of majority, to unite and incorporate into such a society. And this is that, and that only, which did or could give beginning to any lawful government in the world." -- John Locke
In every single case the government has the burden to prove the source of its evidence is legitimate and that items deemed contraband are in fact within its jurisidiction.
False.
The Congress makes the following findings and declarations:(1) Many of the drugs included within this title have a useful and legitimate medical purpose and are necessary to maintain the health and general welfare of the American people.
(2) The illegal importation, manufacture, distribution, and possession and improper use of controlled substances have a substantial and detrimental effect on the health and general welfare of the American people.
(3) A major portion of the traffic in controlled substances flows through interstate and foreign commerce. Incidents of the traffic which are not an integral part of the interstate or foreign flow, such as manufacture, local distribution, and possession, nonetheless have a substantial and direct effect upon interstate commerce because--
(A) after manufacture, many controlled substances are transported in interstate commerce,
(B) controlled substances distributed locally usually have been transported in interstate commerce immediately before their distribution, and
(C) controlled substances possessed commonly flow through interstate commerce immediately prior to such possession.(4) Local distribution and possession of controlled substances contribute to swelling the interstate traffic in such substances.
(5) Controlled substances manufactured and distributed intrastate cannot be differentiated from controlled substances manufactured and distributed interstate. Thus, it is not feasible to distinguish, in terms of controls, between controlled substances manufactured and distributed interstate and controlled substances manufactured and distributed intrastate.
(6) Federal control of the intrastate incidents of the traffic in controlled substances is essential to the effective control of the interstate incidents of such traffic.
Ignorance and dishonesty are the bread and butter of Liberalism and Libertarianism.
You are taking Locke out of context. He is not saying that people give up their freedoms to government for it to dispense as it sees fit, but in accordance with liberal philosophical views they are giving up their natural rights for civil rights (the civilized equivalents). Like refining a diamond so that it has more value. The Lockean liberal society is not one where the government has unlimited power, far from it. It is a society where freedom is only limited so as to promote freedom for the whole. That is why no rights are absolute; any right taken to its utter extreme violates the rights of all. Therefore the right to security cannot come at the expense of the right to privacy in one's home or ownership of one's belongings. There is no classical liberal justification for the WOD, only a pseudo-religious one promulgated out of fear by "conservatives."
I'm quoting him exactly. Beats blowing smoke.
Or you can invent positions to attribute to them and then run away when asked to support your contentions.
I'll stick with quoting, you can stick with running.
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