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A Liberal HS Teachers Views on MEChA
A Washington State HS Teacher | 7/30/02 | Vets_Husband_and_Wife

Posted on 07/30/2002 12:50:57 PM PDT by Vets_Husband_and_Wife

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To: Black Agnes
Oregon, Idaho, Kansas, Oklahoma? Aztlan seems to be adding more and more states every year. At first, it was Arizona, New Mexico, Texas, and California. Then they decided to add Colorado, Nevada, and Utah. Now they've added Oklahoma, Kansas and Oregon.
101 posted on 07/30/2002 6:48:14 PM PDT by FreedomFriend
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To: A Navy Vet
Like someone said here, of course they want it since its a highly advanced civilization and infrastructure, not to mention wealthy. I wonder how long it would take to look like the third-world toilet, Mexico?

It's all culture and form of government. President Fox refuses to acknowledge that fact, he doesn't want to ruffle the feathers of the very wealthy elite class in Mexico that prefers things the way they are.

102 posted on 07/30/2002 7:00:52 PM PDT by FITZ
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To: wku man
And remember,

BLOAT!


103 posted on 07/30/2002 9:25:38 PM PDT by Travis McGee
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To: FreedomFriend
Your post 98... BRAVO,.. well said, from ONE who knows first hand. Thanks!!
104 posted on 07/31/2002 1:17:57 AM PDT by Vets_Husband_and_Wife
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To: amstaff1
You're right. Not only that, but they will get these 340.000 dollar homes on a government grant.
105 posted on 07/31/2002 1:19:37 AM PDT by Vets_Husband_and_Wife
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To: bok
"I suppose some will call for changing the name of the United States of America because it offends people and isn't diverse enough."

I say let them try.

106 posted on 07/31/2002 1:21:05 AM PDT by Vets_Husband_and_Wife
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To: Vets_Husband_and_Wife; M. Thatcher
You know what's funny here. I can tell that from your niece's reply that she is very condescending and patronizing. In her mind SHE is the enlightened one and you all are the narrow-minded jingoists. Up until now, she could get away with her fantasies in privacy. But NOW she is BUSTED. The most influential forum on the Web is hip to her antics and now SHE will have to justify her beliefs, which as we see, is based on FALSE information. Plus she might have to explain to a lot of outraged parents whether or not she has been teaching her students that it is WRONG for Americans to call themselves Americans.

From now on, your niece won't be protected by her close-minded Leftist security blanket consisting of the standard leftist drivel. She will have to defend her silliness with FACTS.

107 posted on 07/31/2002 5:47:22 AM PDT by PJ-Comix
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To: PJ-Comix
THE SCOURGE OF MEChA
108 posted on 07/31/2002 8:07:55 AM PDT by Tancredo Fan
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To: Vets_Husband_and_Wife
You're Welcome. Substitute teaching allows one from the "outside" to see exactly what is going on. It's not a pretty picture.

I've also sat out on the playground and observed the teachers get onto the boys for running and playing. It's like they want them to act like little girls.

I've sat in the teacher's lounge during lunch and have discussed the massive problem of illegal immigration. Some of the teachers chuckle and laugh about it, acting as though we have to take the whole world in.

I've had numerous classrooms tell me that I, as substitute, explain things better than their teacher. I've had some say that I teach better than their regular teacher. I've encountered fifth grade classes in which the students have yet to learn long division (I learned it in the third grade). My cousin's child (He's 10) came up to me and stated that man evolved from apes. Of course, evolutionary teaching has gained a foothold in the public schools. It's almost like the Discovery Channel theories that are presented as fact.

Getting back to the "Character Assemblies", they are a bad influence on the children of America. What I'm surprised about is that many of the teachers weren't alarmed about what was being said. It could be that they've been within the system so long, the lines of what is appropriate and what is not has blurred. I know that a relative of mine, who happens to work in the public schools, was very upset with me when I told her of the propaganda laced throughout the textbooks. She told me that I was looking to much into it. She got very angry. It's like I had said something insulting to her. Maybe she views the school sytem as her family, I don't know.

Lastly, public schools are not what they once were, even compared to when I was in elementary school fifteen to twenty years ago.

109 posted on 07/31/2002 8:59:30 AM PDT by FreedomFriend
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To: FreedomFriend
to-too
110 posted on 07/31/2002 9:02:11 AM PDT by FreedomFriend
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To: Black Agnes
OK & TX will NOT be part of Los Estados Unidos de Azatlan.

but, i'm slowly becoming a patriot for the Latinos who want CA,NM & AZ.

do you think we could give them the new england states?

for dixie,sw

111 posted on 07/31/2002 9:40:05 AM PDT by stand watie
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To: PJ-Comix
Plus she might have to explain to a lot of outraged parents whether or not she has been teaching her students that it is WRONG for Americans to call themselves Americans.

From now on, your niece won't be protected by her close-minded Leftist security blanket consisting of the standard leftist drivel. She will have to defend her silliness with FACTS.

I hope you are right PJ. However, I didn't get a LOT of e-mail at the addy I set up. I got three. I was surprized that MORE here didn't take the time to READ the two e-mails and then write to her. It is hard when you see something that appears so lengthy to read it all, but this is a very real threat to all of us. It wasn't all that hard to wade through it,..as it reads like a SCIENCE FICTION!!

I will be giving this thread a couple days,..then I'm going to compose my response to her. I will post it here first. I'd like to get the opinions of people I respect before hand. Thanks!!

112 posted on 07/31/2002 10:52:08 AM PDT by Vets_Husband_and_Wife
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To: Tancredo Fan
This is what the MEChA Constitution says (Article II, section 1):

"General membership shall consist of any student who accepts, believes and works for the goals and objectives of MEChA, including the liberation of AZTLAN, meaning self-determination of our people in this occupied state and the physical liberation of our land."

From "El Plan de Aztlan":

In the spirit of a new people that is conscious not only of its proud historical heritage but also of the brutal "gringo" invasion of our territories, we, the Chicano inhabitants and civilizers of the northern land of Aztlan from whence came our forefathers, reclaiming the land of their birth and consecrating the determination of our people of the sun, declare that the call of our blood is our power, our responsibility, and our inevitable destiny.

I guess my comprehension skills are better than that of my neice. I see CLEARLY what their agenda is!!

113 posted on 07/31/2002 10:59:04 AM PDT by Vets_Husband_and_Wife
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To: FreedomFriend
My cousin's child (He's 10) came up to me and stated that man evolved from apes. Of course, evolutionary teaching has gained a foothold in the public schools. It's almost like the Discovery Channel theories that are presented as fact.

Yet some of these very teachers find it offensive that we allow the name of God to be in our Pledge. I saw many in academia support that publicly. Where is the outrage over evolution? So many heads in the sand. And we wonder why our kids kill, and are not thriving as they should, both physically and emotionally. Makes me ill.

114 posted on 07/31/2002 11:02:55 AM PDT by Vets_Husband_and_Wife
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To: stand watie
Nah, let's give New England to Canada, they're both socialist domains with no personal freedoms to speak of and they hate Christianity to boot. But only if they take their wretched senators and representatives with them! Ditto for Feinstein et al and Aztlan!

If Aztlan secedes it'll be interesting to see the reaction of the liberal 'hate the confederacy cuz they had no right to secede' professors.
115 posted on 07/31/2002 11:07:41 AM PDT by Black Agnes
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To: Black Agnes
That is dead on. "La Frontera" was rough country precisely because the Mexicans living there were ALWAYS threatened by the tribes in what is now Texas, Arizona and New Mexico. It was empty land, except for the roving bands of tribes.

The vaunted "Mexican" posession of California was a joke: at the time of the Mexican-American war, there were approximately 7000 men, women and children who held loyalty to Mexico in California. By contrast, there were 130,000 aboriginals in southern California alone. Of course, that was about 100,000 fewer than had originally been there - they died off because of disease and oppression by the Spaniards (later "Mexicans" after the 1821 finish of the first Mexican revolution). So who exactly has their roots there? If you are a Yuman (Kameyaay) tribesmen, then you have a claim. Which is, of course, why they have reservations (the Kameyaay are mostly well to do now since they own casinos...).

In 1848 there were 30,000 Americans in the upper Sacramento river valley, and by 1850, over 250,000. The "Mexicans" - remnants of a failed attempt by the King of Spain to assert his territorial rights granted him by the Pope in the Treaty of Tordesillas - were outnumbered 10 to 1 by Americans, and by a similar number of aboriginal tribes. So, umm, just where was this mythical Aztlan? Answer: NOWHERE but in the minds of a resentful group that has failed over and over throughout their awful 500 year history.

By the way - currently the Tohono O'odham tribe in Arizona is pretty upset about illegals coming across their land. This has confused many American leftists, thinking that they would immediately join up with their Mexican "brothers". This is laughable, because one of the major reasons that reservations tend to be on this side of the border, was that no matter how bad the Americans were, they were infinitely better than life under the depraved Mexican feudal hierarchy. Mexican massacres of aboriginal tribes are well known and documented, and the Apaches, Pima's, Navajo and Tohono O'odham ("papago", a Mexican name they hated) all remember that.

116 posted on 07/31/2002 11:08:45 AM PDT by Regulator
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To: Regulator
Thanks for the information you posted to Black Angus. It is this kind of information I'm going to use in responding to my niece!!! (I knew a few freepers would outsmart her!!)

I know that this movement is dangerous, and probably even a pawn in the movement of people like Farrahkan, and other Muslim Extremists. They aren't SHY about stating their goals. And it is a cold blooded hate when you hear them speak. But I think they conveyed that emotion just fine in print too. How anyone could read their manifesto any different, is beyond me.

Again, thanks for the FACTS you have provided me.
117 posted on 07/31/2002 11:13:51 AM PDT by Vets_Husband_and_Wife
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To: Vets_Husband_and_Wife
Speaking as an American who happens to be of hispanic descent, I absolutely loathe MEChA. And no offense, but if your niece was teaching my kids, I'd pull them out IMMEDIATELY.

Something does need to be done to nip this stupidity in the bud, soon, or the southwest US WILL start looking like Kosovo.
118 posted on 07/31/2002 11:56:58 AM PDT by Green Knight
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To: Vets_Husband_and_Wife
Totally agree with her. MEChA is CONTRARY to what Martin Luther King believed, yet she supports them. What's up with that?
119 posted on 07/31/2002 12:02:53 PM PDT by Green Knight
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To: Regulator
Great summary of the history of this area - it shows how idiotic La Raza's and MeCHa's claims are.

What is your source?

120 posted on 07/31/2002 12:02:54 PM PDT by Spiff
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