Serbia: Serbs Leaving Sandzak

IWPR ^ | 26 July 02 | IWPR Staff

[branicap]

Hej,Banat,what do you want to prove???

Jimer is right:legall or illegal,who cares???I see for the first time Sandzak Coat of Arms and don`t know what to do:laugh or cry?!The paradox of the bosnian and Sandzak Coat of arms is that both are nothing but a theft!!!Fleur de Liese used by the Bosnian Muslims was part of the Coat of Arms of Bosnian King Tvrtko Kotromanich(a Christian) whose state Ottoman Turks(Muslims) had destroyed in XV century!!!!!And now,that gang with Don Izetbegovich in charge is claiming the regalia of something that never belonged niether to them nor their religion????

BTW Jimer,Serbian Coat of arms is an old one:it was a Coat of Arms of the SOCIALIST Republic of Serbia,not the present Serbia.

The sad truth is that Ugljanin is a Turkish disciple who wants Serbs out,Bosnian language(Serbo-Croatian+20 Turkish words= NEW LANGUAGE!!!!!!!!!!!)conection with Bosnian and Albanian Muslims= A Great Muslimania in the hearth of Europe!!!!!!

God Have Mercy on Serbs in their own country!

[Voronin]

Fleur de Liese used by the Bosnian Muslims was part of the Coat of Arms of Bosnian King Tvrtko Kotromanich(a Christian)...

Thanks for the enlightenment. 'Wierd' is one way of putting it.

VRN

[Kate22]

Bump to Banat. Jimer you can't be serious!! What you are saying is that any separatist group in the world can create a coat of arms and expect it to be recognised. So, for example, the Mexicans in California can start a movement to annex US territory and the symbol which they adopt would be automatically recognised?? Get real!!

Why do you want to see more territory of Serbia eaten away anyway? Why support this movement in an area which you clearly know very little about (including its geography!)?

[Consort]

The paradox of the bosnian and Sandzak Coat of arms is that both are nothing but a theft!!!

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National identity theft.

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...Serbian Coat of arms is an old one...

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I can't find the new one. Do you have a copy?

[Consort]

What you are saying is that any separatist group in the world can create a coat of arms and expect it to be recognised.

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It happens all the time but the "blind" never see it coming until they are swept up in it. Let's call it the "Ship of Fools" Syndrome.

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So, for example, the Mexicans in California can start a movement to annex US territory and the symbol which they adopt would be automatically recognised??

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The movements and the symbols are real and they are being advanced as we speak — you can't wish them away or ignore them away.

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Get real!!

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I'm working on it.

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Why do you want to see more territory of Serbia eaten away anyway?

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How did you reach that wrong assumption?

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Why support this movement in an area which you clearly know very little about (including its geography!)?

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Another wrong assumption. Two wrongs don't make a right. If you really want to know why this movement is supported, then ask one of the countless people who are involved. That's the best way to get the facts. In the 1860s, we had a secession movement that is still widely discussed today.

[Banat]

I never said "Sandzak" did not exist. I said it was NOT A REGION other than GEOGRAPHICAL. It has no government, no flags and no CoAs. Continue to display your thickness, see if I care...

[Consort]

Do you even know what/where "Sandzak" is? It doesn't "border Serbia and Montenegro".

Yes it does.

[Consort]

Those are GEOGRAPHICAL, not administrative regions.

Yes, we could have a samantic difference. The administrative regions, however, of Serbia are apparently called Autonomous Provinces (same concept).
Here is a page from their current constitution:

[branicap]

No,Jimer I don`t!Anyway,the new National Insignia are being discussed in Serbian Parlament and I don`t know what the final resault will be!Thank you,anyway for posting parts of your colection,I`ve learned something knew!

I agree with Jimer that if a group of people want to establish their iconography there is nothing to stop them!But,what I was trying to emphasize is a pure distortion and theft of somebody elses history and property,period!And,that process is deliberately condoned by Western media(for various reasons) and sold to the uneducated masses to justify the criminal behaviour of the West in Balkans!

For example,the name BOSNIANS used to describe Bosnian Muslims exclusively,to the ignorant Westerners sounds like Bosnians=indigenous population of Bosnia=Serbs invaders from Serbia=Croats invaders for Croatia=Muslims are the VICTIMS!!!!

But,the truth is exactly the opposite!Indigenous Bosnian populations from VII century were Serbs and Croats and a groupof Slavs that belonged to the Bogumil sect(also Christian)!!!!800 years later Ottoman Turks conquered Christian Bosnia destroyed the state and imposed Islam!Now their succesors Alia& Gang Inc. had enough cheek to desecrate old Coat of Arms and use it as their own!!!Bosnian Muslims are Indigenous population of Bosnia as I AM INDIGENOUS ENGLISHMAN IN COMPARISSON WITH KATE!I have ben here for the last 10 years she and her ancestors(I presume) for generations!

Sandzak:term Sandzak is a Turkish word meaning :region,county and is an administrative term!The real name was SANDZAK OF NOVI PAZAR but later the name of the town was deleted.After WWII Tito and servile Serbian Communist lidership had given a limited autonomy to the Sandzak (Admiinistrativna Oblast Sandzak) Administrative Region Sandzak but that was abolished in 1952,I think???Since then,Serbia was buchered and sliced like a pizza in ONLY(??) three parts ,and two aou of three(Kosovo and Vojvodina)vere working more or less openly against Serbia!

Now,we have Sandzak Muslims openly brandishing Bosnian,Turkish and Saudi flags in the hearth of ancient Serbian lands(Old Serbia or Rashka)demanding indenpendence and Sebian egzodus is underway,again,just like in 16.century,and 1941-45 and 91-95 and 99-.....

When will it stop???

I suppose,when there are no Serbs in Kosovo,Sandzak,Macedonia,Croatia....when all the traces of their long egzistence is erased from their ancestral lands,and all the signs of Christianity are extinguished...

Saddly,I think that current generations of Serbs don`t deserve anything better!

[Banat]

And how many Provinces are there and what are their names? I don't see "Sandzak" being mentioned anywhere.

"Sandzak" can't border Serbia and Montenegro because it is in Serbia & Montenegro. It's like saying 'California borders the USA', or 'Bavaria borders Germany'.

Who's the regional governor of "Sandzak"? Which party has the most MPs in "Sandzak's" regional parliament?

[PaZaRaC]

Hello,

i am from Sandzak, i grow up in Novi Pazar, and live now in Germany, a can tell you why the most of Serbs in Sandzak left the Sandzak Region, its couse there are al lot of rich peopel in Sandzak, they pay a lot of money for land, couse the need it to build their factorys and other thinks, they pay the serbs about 100-300 thausend € for their land, in rest of serbia, you can get a great life with so much money, ofcourse use every serb this and takes the money, its tru what you say, that there are a lot of political people who want to get autonomy for sandzak, bu this is not posibel without war, not yet.

I have few serb firends there, and they tell me every time when i meet them, whne someone would give them samo money fo the land, they would leave sandzak, so the leaving of serbs from sandzak is no political think, its a commercial reason.

A german would say "Geld regisert die Welt":-)

P.S Sorry for my bad english:-)

[PaZaRaC]

You can go on my Website www.novi-pazar.com to diskus witjh other people from sandzak, if you need more information about the town and the region, so you can ask there.

Greeting

[Consort]

"Sandzak" can't border Serbia and Montenegro because it is in Serbia & Montenegro.

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You may be correct, but the following wording is commonly found in reporting about the Balkins: "The Sandzak is an area that straddles the Serbia/Montenegro border. Of its 11 municipalities, 6 are in Serbia and 5 in Montenegro.
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[DestroyEraseImprove]

Your german isn't much better! :)

[Banat]

PaZaRaC signed up 2002-08-02.

So, your friend Jimer asked you to come here and post. OK. I still don't see the point, though. I am right; he is wrong. Your post, while appreciated, doesn't quite address the issue of CoAs and "Sandzak's" 'regionness'.

I knew it from Day 1 that he was a gastarbeiter.

[Consort]

• The paranoia of the ouvrier d'invité runs deep.
• Sandzak has a Coat of Arms.
• Sandzak is a geographic region.
• Sandzak is a quasi political region.
• Sandzak is a cultural region.
• Sandzak has "regioness".
• There is more to Serbia than just the DSS.

[Banat]

Musliman iz Raske Oblasti.