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A bone to pick: Missing link is evolutionists' weakest
Houston Chronical via WorldNetDaily ^ | July 26 | Jeff Farmer

Posted on 07/29/2002 6:35:04 PM PDT by Tribune7

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To: RightWingNilla
The EbgA mutations were both novel AND conferred a major survival advantage.

The answer was already given to you:

No they did not. The size of the genome was the same before and after the mutations. Further, as I quoted from your study the mutation was helpful only in the particular circumstance the ebg functioned worse in normal situations so as a matter of survivability, it was less prone to survive than before the mutation. This is nothing new. Breeding does the same thing, it makes the genome of the organism less adaptable, less efficient that is why pure-bred animals are less healthy than their wild counterparts.

BTW - this is similar to the case of the nylon bacteria. Nothing new here.

861 posted on 08/07/2002 6:03:53 AM PDT by gore3000
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To: RightWingNilla
Who's Lenny?
862 posted on 08/07/2002 6:03:56 AM PDT by <1/1,000,000th%
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To: RightWingNilla
The individuals with the beneficial mutation are having all of the fun and most of the children.

No they have not because a beneficial mutation by duplication is not immediately beneficial. More of your confusionism. Follow the thread, that is why you never quote the statements I made.

863 posted on 08/07/2002 6:06:26 AM PDT by gore3000
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To: RightWingNilla
So when are you going to answer how a program is changed at random??????

You just asked me this five posts ago.

Just post it here so all can see. Enough excuses, enough 'I won the argument elsewhere' nonsense. Just cut and paste it. Have been asking you for it from over a hundred posts back, you are still making excuses. Cut the nonsense, just post it.

864 posted on 08/07/2002 6:08:54 AM PDT by gore3000
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To: gore3000; balrog666
And added the ability to digest polymers - a new beneficial function.

Oh yes, you can find polymers all over in nature. Once the plant closes they will die, as I said.

You don't really know what a polymer is, do you?

865 posted on 08/07/2002 6:15:18 AM PDT by general_re
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To: general_re
Wildly elliptical blue-skipping 1720 placemarker.
866 posted on 08/07/2002 6:20:37 AM PDT by PatrickHenry
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To: gore3000
You made the claim that a duplicated gene was not useful. I completely refuted that statement. Now you wish to bring up mutations. That's a different question. You really should stick to the subject.
867 posted on 08/07/2002 6:26:34 AM PDT by Doctor Stochastic
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To: PatrickHenry; All
Here's a little quiz to stretch your brain muscles this morning. What do the following things have in common: RNA, DNA, starch, cellulose, collagen, chitin, silk from silkworms, spider silk, and keratin. Can you think of any other things that fit into this list?
868 posted on 08/07/2002 6:36:10 AM PDT by general_re
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To: gore3000; VadeRetro
Excellent link. Maybe it is a knockout, after all.

Vade, can you comment?

Now one might say that if evolution were hung up on a local Maximum, a large genetic change like a recombination or a transposition could bring it to another higher peak.  Large adaptive changes are, however, highly improbable.  They are orders of magnitude less probable than getting an adaptive change with a single nucleotide substitution, which is itself improbable.  No one has shown this to be possible either.
--Dr. Lee Spetner

869 posted on 08/07/2002 7:24:46 AM PDT by Tribune7
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To: general_re
Protein!?
870 posted on 08/07/2002 7:28:02 AM PDT by biblewonk
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To: balrog666
Polymerly-ignorant, rude-jerk-raving-in-blue skipping placemarker.

No comment about sugar based biopolymers.

871 posted on 08/07/2002 7:37:59 AM PDT by balrog666
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To: <1/1,000,000th%
Who's Lenny?

Popular "Of Mice And Men" reference, especially in 1940s cartoons.

"Which way did they go, George? Which way did they go?" That's Lenny talking.

872 posted on 08/07/2002 7:38:54 AM PDT by Gumlegs
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To: biblewonk
Well, yes, they're proteins, but they have another commonality in terms of structure also....
873 posted on 08/07/2002 7:40:49 AM PDT by general_re
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To: general_re
The raw material of spider silk is "keratin," a protein that appears as braided, helical strands of amino acid chains. This material is also found in hair, horn and feathers.
874 posted on 08/07/2002 7:42:08 AM PDT by PatrickHenry
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To: general_re
Um, They're all long and skinny. Actually I don't know if polypeptides are proteins.
875 posted on 08/07/2002 7:47:05 AM PDT by biblewonk
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To: biblewonk
They're all long and skinny. Okay. ;)
876 posted on 08/07/2002 7:53:12 AM PDT by general_re
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To: biblewonk
Not quite what I had in mind, but I can't argue with your assessment ;)
877 posted on 08/07/2002 7:54:11 AM PDT by general_re
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To: PatrickHenry
The raw material of spider silk is "keratin," a protein that appears as braided, helical strands of amino acid chains.

Yes, and keratin (which I also listed separately) is a naturally-occurring (fill in the blank) p***mer. Which is also true of the rest of the things on my list. ;)

878 posted on 08/07/2002 7:59:30 AM PDT by general_re
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To: Gumlegs
Thanks.

I remember the cartoons. I never knew where that came from.

879 posted on 08/07/2002 8:21:27 AM PDT by <1/1,000,000th%
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To: general_re
What do the following things have in common: RNA, DNA, starch, cellulose, collagen, chitin, silk from silkworms, spider silk, and keratin. Can you think of any other things that fit into this list?

Cellulose.

I noticed that in England they talk about trees being made of plastic. Something I've never heard in American English.

880 posted on 08/07/2002 8:24:49 AM PDT by <1/1,000,000th%
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