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Weed Whackers The anti-marijuana forces, and why they're wrong
National Review ^ | 8/20/2001 | Rich Lowry

Posted on 07/29/2002 9:55:32 AM PDT by WindMinstrel

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To: Brad's Gramma
Deep Doo Doo is for sure.
281 posted on 07/29/2002 6:53:54 PM PDT by Khepera
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To: Brad's Gramma; Khepera
I don't trust that mailorder bacon anymore, my next-door neighbor bought some and it made his dog throw up.
282 posted on 07/29/2002 6:54:06 PM PDT by Dakmar
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To: Dakmar
I ate a dead frog once and didn't throw up.
283 posted on 07/29/2002 6:55:46 PM PDT by Khepera
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To: Dakmar
Hmmmmmmm......ya know, last night around 2:00 a.m., Gramps got sick.

I'll have to check into that mail order thing. Thanks for that little tidbit.
284 posted on 07/29/2002 6:58:12 PM PDT by Brad’s Gramma
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To: Khepera
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
285 posted on 07/29/2002 6:58:43 PM PDT by Brad’s Gramma
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To: Khepera
Most of them you can, but there's a few varieties that would make you awful sick. The DEA and the CIA are battling for control over those kind as we speak.
286 posted on 07/29/2002 6:58:56 PM PDT by Dakmar
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To: WindMinstrel
Sorry for going all haywire on your thread, but you have to admit it was at least different near the end.
287 posted on 07/29/2002 7:32:39 PM PDT by Dakmar
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To: Malcolm
The truth of it is, you LP types could care less about any ill effects of your plan. "That's somebody else's problem."

That's exactly right.

288 posted on 07/29/2002 8:01:41 PM PDT by jodorowsky
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To: Cultural Jihad
when they murder the 99.5% of the voters,

"Disagree with someone on the right, and he is likely to think you obtuse, wrong, foolish; a dope. Disagree with someone on the left and he is more likely to think you selfish, a sell-out, insensitive, possibly evil."

-- Joseph Epstein

289 posted on 07/29/2002 8:18:11 PM PDT by jodorowsky
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To: Dakmar
"Its actually a lame question, the burden of proof should be on the government. Give me three reasons why hot-dogs should be legal."

1.)They provide nourishment
2.)I can give them to my children to eat
3.)If my surgeon has one or two just prior to my operation, I'm not worried.

Got an answer to my question yet?

290 posted on 07/30/2002 5:57:49 AM PDT by robertpaulsen
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To: Dakmar
Its probably an excercise in futility, but do you have any idea what Kevin and CJ are talking about? Nevermind, it doesn't even matter.
291 posted on 07/30/2002 6:13:31 AM PDT by FreeTally
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To: WyldKard
term organ damage, etc etc. Certainly, one can say without any hesitation that pot is NO WORSE than alcohol, if they didn't want to push the point that it's probably not as bad as alcohol.

Yes I think that is definitely true. Although a glass of wine a day or a beer a day is known to actually be very good for you. It does zero damage to the liver at that rate and is very good for the blood and heart. Even in the bible Paul told the Timothy to drink a little wine for 'oft infirmities'. Jesus turned water into wine. You can't say any of these things about weed. The Lords' supper uses wine too. It is quite a stretch to put beer anywhere near the category that wine is biblically. It is the bible that makes me think the WOD is overly stronghanded of the Gmt btw.

But there is also data that we can extrapolate from, such as that people who are drunk have a propensity towards violence, which is usually not the case with people who are stoned.

This is pretty subjective too. I will go along with the idea that toxicity wise they are pretty much the same. One just smells better at a Korn or Pantera concert ;-)

There may very well be some additional problems that occur due to legal weed. The thing is though, is that the cure so far (the WoD) costs far more, and does far more damage than legalization does or would. We would save such ridiculous gobs of money.

I wish it were that simple. Making weed legal would not lower taxes one penny. We would not save one penny, the gmt would just spend it somewhere else. For me the only D to remove from the WOD is weed.

In the end, it's up to the parents.

We all know what kinds of parents are out there. This is where our liberty goes up against someone elses well being. If you know that legalizing anything that you should have the liberty to have would do real harm to others, would you still be as willing to have that liberty. I bring this up because this is a totally biblical argument. Christianity is all about liberty and freedom from the Laws of the OT. But Paul mentions that this liberty should not be used to the harm of others and he gives examples. I only mention this to keep the concept in mind, not as the final decision maker.

292 posted on 07/30/2002 6:14:46 AM PDT by biblewonk
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To: caisson71
Which part is reverse logic, I see it all the time, ask any teenager, which is easier, I have, and the answer is always the same, POT is easier to get. I wonder why....
293 posted on 07/30/2002 6:52:34 AM PDT by vin-one
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To: Freedom4UsAll; galt-jw
Thanks for the bumps. I note the usual rabble deigned to respond.

Eff 'em. ;^)
294 posted on 07/30/2002 8:07:53 AM PDT by headsonpikes
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To: ATOMIC_PUNK; gunshy
To: gunshy
“…Escaping reality through drugs is an idiotic thing to do and a waste.”
# 43 by ATOMIC_PUNK

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Escaping reality through drugs is recreation. It isn’t a waste to relax. It isn’t a waste to ignore your troubles and have fun. It isn’t a waste to escape reality for no other reason than to just have fun, even if you don't have troubles to forget.

Drugs themselves have been around forever. There is no society in history that did not use drugs, both for fun and as a duty to God.

295 posted on 07/30/2002 8:09:30 AM PDT by exodus
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To: robertpaulsen
1.)They provide nourishment

More nourishment than a nice chicken breast or tofurkey, or even a bean salad? Not convinced.

I haven't eaten a hot dog in at least 12 years. You are better off with healthier menu selections. You can write to the FDA for suggested guidelines if you have any questions.

2.)I can give them to my children to eat

"Here kids, mystery meat!"

Why should they eat crap like that when there are many other foods that are better for our race's children? It is important that we protect them from poor diets and bad snacking habits. Children don't know any better, and with the growing obesity problem, your protestations seem a little selfish.

3.)If my surgeon has one or two just prior to my operation, I'm not worried.

Hot dogs and beer often go together. Are you proposing that we allow people to carry out surgery or go driving on the highway drunk, so long as they have hot dog meat in their stomachs? Do you really believe that the hot dog meat will soak up the alcohol?

It is very simplistic and unrealistic to say that legal hot dogs will solve all of society's problems.

Unconvinced.

296 posted on 07/30/2002 8:11:02 AM PDT by jodorowsky
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To: biblewonk
"I don't think [imprisoning people for marijuana possession] really happens very often. Weed is only sort of illegal."

If that's the case, why are there laws against it? Having laws against something that are selectively enforced breeds contempt for the law and lends itself to abuse.

297 posted on 07/30/2002 8:16:22 AM PDT by jejones
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To: jejones
If that's the case, why are there laws against it? Having laws against something that are selectively enforced breeds contempt for the law and lends itself to abuse.

It's the same as prostitution laws. Some things can't be stopped and should not be encouraged.

298 posted on 07/30/2002 8:20:43 AM PDT by biblewonk
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To: robertpaulsen
Society does exist and can be found if you know what you're looking for. It is a collection of individuals with common interests and standards. This society, which at one time declared pot legal, has had a change of heart and declared it illegal. If one obeys the law, I don't see how this hurts anyone.

I dont think your opinion benefits the collections of individuals on this board. It is also not in our interest, neither does it meet our standart.

This is not a forum for Socalists. We advocate individual responsibility and less government power.

If you favor legalization of pot, then your standards are not the same as the rest of society, and, on this issue, you are not a part of "society", thus your confusion as to being able to locate it in three dimensions. If enough people share your view, new standards can be shaped, and society will change.

Great idea as long the society happens to have the same ideals as you. I guess if society decides to outlaw guns, that would be ok for you? If we outlaw pot we restrict the freedom of the users who can take this drug without becoming a burden to "society". By outlawing, we try to protect them of their own actions. We put them in jail and take away some of their basic rights because pot might endanger them. For a substance with the addictive potential of coffee.

Why dont you talk to the people who are in jail for possesion and ask them what good reasons they have to legalize MJ? While you are there, tell them how grear society is. After all, the jail protects them of their own actions. They should be thankful for that.

Life often forces us to choose between 'right' and 'easy'. We can not simply put someone in jail because his actions might danger society in an abstract way. We put people in jail because their actions violated the rights of others. In my idealized version of America - crimes would have victims - and laws would not.

The point is, what we value most is our freedom not something abstract as "public health".

"If a nation values anything more than freedom, it will lose its freedom, and the irony of it is that if it is comfort or money that it values more, it will lose that, too."

Corruptisima republica plurimae leges.
[The more corrupt a republic, the more laws.]
-- Tacitus, Annals III 27

No man is good enough to govern another man without that other's consent.
- Lincoln


299 posted on 07/30/2002 9:06:32 AM PDT by SkyRat
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To: biblewonk
This is where our liberty goes up against someone elses well being. If you know that legalizing anything that you should have the liberty to have would do real harm to others, would you still be as willing to have that liberty.

So you are saying, if we give someone liberty, he is surly going to harm others, therefor we should imprision him before he can?
300 posted on 07/30/2002 9:16:51 AM PDT by SkyRat
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