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Rescued PA Miners Recount Ordeal (***PICTURES***)
AP ^ | July 28, 2002 | Larry Neumeister

Posted on 07/28/2002 4:10:52 PM PDT by Alouette

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To: Hacksaw
Yes, it is a horribly debilitating disease. Which is why the idea that the physicians on hand wouldn't take every precaution is utterly absurd. Especially the Navy personell whose job it is to treat this.

Roebling was so badly afflicted that he could barely communicate. It is thought that his wife, Mary, was responsible for finishing the bridge.

61 posted on 07/29/2002 7:39:49 AM PDT by TomB
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To: TomB
Sure there was group think, everyone was watching the major cable nets and getting the same media feeds. There was a general predisposition to create heros.
62 posted on 07/29/2002 7:43:57 AM PDT by bvw
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To: Alouette; dighton
Good pics ... good article.

Remember this one?

Trapped in a mine that's half-caved in,
And everyone knew the only ones left were Joe, and me, and Tim;
When they broke through to pull us free, the only ones left to tell the tale were Joe ...
... and me.

Timothy ... Timothy ...
Where on earth did you go?
Timothy ... Timothy ...
God, why don't I know?

Hungry as hell, no food to eat,
And Joe said to me he'd sell his soul for just a piece of meat;
Water enough to drink for two, so Joe said to me, "I'll take a swig and then there's some for you".

Timothy ... Timothy ...
God, I wish that I knew ...
Timothy ... Timothy ...
Joe, what did we do?

I must have passed out just 'bout then
'Cause the very next thing that I could see was the light of the day again.
Our stomachs were full as they could be
And nobody ever got around to finding Timothy.

Timothy ... Timothy ...
Where on earth did you go?
Timothy ... Timothy ...
God, why don't I know?

63 posted on 07/29/2002 7:44:58 AM PDT by BlueLancer
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To: Alouette
Thanks for the article & pictures. Great story!
64 posted on 07/29/2002 7:46:53 AM PDT by LurkedLongEnough
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To: bvw
Sure there was group think, everyone was watching the major cable nets and getting the same media feeds. There was a general predisposition to create heros.

And what does that have to do with putting them in decompression chambers for a few hours?!?!?!

Are you saying people would have thought less of them if they had to be decompressed?

You're just rambling now.

65 posted on 07/29/2002 7:54:32 AM PDT by TomB
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To: BlueLancer
LOL I remember that song REALLY freaking me out as a kid.

I guess there was a rumor that the song was based on a true story.

I still have that tune in my head.

Looks like I'm off to Bearshare.

66 posted on 07/29/2002 7:57:08 AM PDT by TomB
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To: TomB
My understanding, from the album liner (The Buoys), is that, to some extent it's true ...

But what they don't tell you is that Timothy was the mine's mule, back in the days when they used mules to pull out the ore cars.

I remember thinking "Holy $hit", myself, when I first heard this, positive that they were talking about cannabilism. It does make more sense, knowing that they're talking about the mule, but it does take away the horrible fascination with the song.

67 posted on 07/29/2002 8:00:39 AM PDT by BlueLancer
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To: TomB
We are rambling and rambling then. A doosy-doe.
68 posted on 07/29/2002 8:01:14 AM PDT by bvw
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To: bvw
No, YOU are rambling.

I'm still waiting to hear you tell me why putting the men into a decompression chamber would have made a difference as to whether or not they were heroes.

69 posted on 07/29/2002 8:06:27 AM PDT by TomB
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To: TomB
You're right -- let's stop this buck and wing, you're stepping on my feets and they need to rest. Thanks for some of your comments.
70 posted on 07/29/2002 8:21:41 AM PDT by bvw
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To: BlueLancer
Thank God those guys got out alive.

How about this tune (one of my favorites if you've ever heard it):

BIG BAD JOHN

Every morning at the mine you could see him arrive
He stood six foot six and weighed two forty five
Kinda broad at the shoulder and narrow at the hip
And everybody knew you didn't give no lip to Big John

Big John, Big John, Big Bad John

Nobody seem to know where John called home
He just drifted into town and stayed all alone
He didn't say much he was kinda shy
And if you spoke at all you just said "hi" to Big John

Big John, Big John, Big Bad John

Somebody said he came from New Orleans
Where he got in a fight over a Cajun queen
And a crashin' blow from a huge right hand
Sent a Louisiana fella to the Promised Land

Big John, Big John, Big Bad John

Then came the day at the bottom of the mine
When a timber cracked and men started cryin'
Miners were prayin' and hearts beat fast
And everybody thought that they'd breathed their last 'cept John

Big John, Big John, Big Bad John

Through the dust and the smoke of that man made hell
Walked a giant of a man that the miners knew well
He grabbed a saggin' timber and gave out a groan
And like a giant oak tree just stood there alone

Big John, Big John, Big Bad John

And with all of his strength he gave a mighty shove
Then a miner yelled out "There's a light up above!"
And twenty men scrambled from a would be grave
And now there's only one left down there to save, Big John

Big John, Big John, Big Bad John

With jacks and timbers they started back down
Then came that rumble way down in the ground
Then smoke and gas belched out of that mine
Everyone knew it was the end of the line for Big John

Big John, Big John, Big Bad John

Now they never reopened that worthless pit
They just placed a marble stand in front of it
These few words are written on that stand

"AT THE BOTTOM OF THIS MINE
LIES A BIG, BIG MAN
BIG JOHN"

Big John, Big John, Big Bad John

71 posted on 07/29/2002 8:48:01 AM PDT by MickMan51
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To: TomB
TomB,

Sounds like the other posted message proposes a silly hypothesis. Typically contrarian in a board where such behavior is rampant, such conspiracy theories are really over the edge.

72 posted on 07/29/2002 8:49:11 AM PDT by bonesmccoy
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To: MickMan51
Yup .. another keeper.
73 posted on 07/29/2002 8:50:43 AM PDT by BlueLancer
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To: BlueLancer
Well, no hits on Bearshare.

I'll have to try again later. But now you've gotten my interest up.

Never heard the mule story. I wish I'd have know that long ago, it would have really helped me sleep. ;-)

74 posted on 07/29/2002 8:54:21 AM PDT by TomB
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To: bonesmccoy
I know it shouldn't suprise me, but I'm continually amazed that there is ALWAYS someone monday morning quarterbacking around here. There were literally dozens of physicians there, trained in diving and deep water rescue, mine rescue, and trauma (Conemaugh has the largest trauma center between Harrisburg and Pittsburgh). And this guy claims they ALL have been somehow pressured/deluded into not treating these guys properly.

One second of critical thinking tells you the theory is worthless.

So how common are hyperbaric chambers in trauma centers?

I know the Navy brought some to the hospital (the carrier took a chunk out of a pedestrian walkway), but what would happen if they needed one and one wasn't there?

75 posted on 07/29/2002 9:01:25 AM PDT by TomB
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To: Alouette
GOD IS GOOD! We prayed every time we saw FOX news' story on them. HE gets all the glory for keeping them alive and bringing them back. God bless them all.
76 posted on 07/29/2002 9:14:59 AM PDT by Marysecretary
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To: blam
No, they got cancer and emphysema instead.
77 posted on 07/29/2002 9:16:10 AM PDT by Marysecretary
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To: TomB
TIMOTHY
78 posted on 07/29/2002 9:22:30 AM PDT by BlueLancer
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To: TomB
Timothy (play only ... no download)
79 posted on 07/29/2002 9:29:51 AM PDT by BlueLancer
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To: Ditto
Folks involved in the rescue are giving him lots of credit.

Thanks for that -- I'd been wondering about him, too.

Of course, even at that I figure he was on-site because it's all he'd be thinking about anyway, and he might as well just go there and get it over with. Of course, if he ever does take up politics again he's got these folks' votes sewed up.

80 posted on 07/29/2002 9:34:29 AM PDT by r9etb
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