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This, according to Heckler & Koch, is the infantry weapon of the future - nicknamed "No Place to Hide."

I'm sure we can take out Saddam with some of these babies...

1 posted on 07/26/2002 8:40:48 PM PDT by mhking
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Heck, I had one of those in '64

2 posted on 07/26/2002 8:43:48 PM PDT by TC Rider
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I've heard about those rifles - they're heavy enough to immobilize the enemy when dropped on his feet!
3 posted on 07/26/2002 8:45:39 PM PDT by Ken522
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This is the weapon system of the future:

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4 posted on 07/26/2002 8:48:04 PM PDT by Brett66
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PING
8 posted on 07/26/2002 8:50:01 PM PDT by jdogbearhunter
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*Batteries not included
9 posted on 07/26/2002 8:52:05 PM PDT by Redcloak
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...infantry battlefield...?

Hate to say it, but these goodies are becoming so technical that even with special courses, only a few will be able to use them to their fullest extent.

Any SOG would take a few weeks to fully acclimate the new system, but general infantry?

After watching a few of the programs on History or Discovery or A&E, and watching all the moaning and groaning and dysfunction of the grunts in basic, be it Marines or Army, it is obvious that the technology has out-paced the soldier, and that is sad and dangerous.
10 posted on 07/26/2002 8:59:00 PM PDT by Vidalia
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"Heckler and Koch (HK) is responsible for the development of the combined 5.56mm and 20mm weapon. Alliant Techsystems (ATK), Hopkins, MN, is the prime contractor, responsible for system integration, testing, 20mm High Explosive ammunition development, training, and support definition. Brashear LP of Pittsburgh, PA, is responsible for the development of the fire control system.

What-- CORPORATIONS came up with this, not the guvmint? They better not be making too much on this!!!

11 posted on 07/26/2002 9:03:25 PM PDT by ovrtaxt
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Too simple. Needs to be bulkier and more complicated.
13 posted on 07/26/2002 9:06:27 PM PDT by Ben Hecks
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Does it still weight some huge amount and cannot be operated without batteries that can fail?
14 posted on 07/26/2002 9:07:47 PM PDT by ikka
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I've seen a tripod mounted version of the 20mm air-burst weapon being tested in a documentary. It was very impressive. Not a replacement for an infantry rifle or SAW, but rather for a medium/heavy machine gun.
17 posted on 07/26/2002 9:13:28 PM PDT by Britton J Wingfield
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Here's my problems with this behemoth. What does it weigh? Why are the ergonomics of the thing so bad? How many rounds can the average soldier carry for it? How many batteries does it go through in a day? Does it have backup iron sights?

All this gizmo stuff is great but the Army STILL hasn't come out with a decent small, light, encrypted radio with good range. Why is it that combat soldiers go out and buy their own Motorola Talkabout radios with earbud microphones? It's because the Army's radios have sucked, do suck, and probably will continue to suck. Commo can mean life or death, especially when you need fire support (If of course you have it which the 10th Mtn didn't in Afghanistan) Why the Army cant come up with a nice small, lightweight, encrypted radio system that can be used as a squad intercom also is beyond my comprehension. Good grief, they have televisions on watches now for God's sake!
rant off
23 posted on 07/26/2002 9:25:32 PM PDT by Tailback
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I wonder how susceptable to ECM it is.
25 posted on 07/26/2002 9:51:19 PM PDT by Ajnin
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Note the open fork flash suppressor. Ideal for snagging every vine and twig. Just like the early M-16's in SE Asia...
26 posted on 07/26/2002 9:54:35 PM PDT by null and void
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Hard to get a concealed weapon permit for that sucker.
29 posted on 07/26/2002 9:57:43 PM PDT by doug from upland
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The OICW is featured in the computer game, Delta Force, Land Warrior. Using it is almost like cheating.
31 posted on 07/26/2002 10:11:27 PM PDT by Shooter 2.5
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Correct me if I am misremembering, but isn't the new infantry rifle the British have (you know, the one that is failing miserably in Afghanistan, yet the Brit Army and H&K are blaming the problems on "improper field cleaning") made by Hechler & Koch? I like H&K handguns, but I don't have to roll through the mud before I fire mine...
34 posted on 07/26/2002 10:35:42 PM PDT by Charles H. (The_r0nin)
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Looks rather a lot like that big monstrous thing Zorg had in Fifth Element.
37 posted on 07/26/2002 11:05:52 PM PDT by supercat
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I saw this system being demonstrated on a Discovery Channel special. It includes a 'secure battlefield wireless network'. The rifle even has a mouse button on it (no joke!). The funniest (or scariest) thing is that the system runs on a modified version of Windows 2000. If your electronics crash, I wonder how long they take to reboot?

There are many vunerabilities in this system.

First, a splash of mud disables optics. There's a lot of mud splashing around battlefields. Without the optics, the entire system is virtually useless. I wonder if they'll issue paper towels & Windex with this equipment?

Second, since the system includes a wireless network, the soldiers are emitting RF signals. I just hope the enemy doesn't come up with RF-homing mortar rounds. And like all electronics gear, it will emit heat as well, making IR detection of our troops that much easier for the enemy.

Third, any wireless network, no matter how secure, can be hacked. Imagine if the enemy could see a detailed battle map with our disposition of forces, and everything we knew about that enemy's forces? They would even be able to see through our soldiers' helmet cams in realtime. If they hack our signals, our troops die. And there's no way to know when those signals are being intercepted. We just assume our equipment is so secure, that it can't happen.

Fourth, these things have got to eat lots of batteries. Batteries are heavy, they don't last long with these kind of electronics, and on the battlefield there's never enough of them.

Fifth, EMP devices pumped by conventional explosive charges are a well-known technology that's been around for a couple decades. A conventional EMP bomb detonated nearby would turn all of our technology in the area into useless scrap.

Sixth, one of the big problems with communications that are too good is that squads in combat get micromismanaged by REMF pouge officers back at the command post who don't know sh*t from Shinola. Can you imagine the level of micromanagement if such officers can get realtime communications and video from each individual soldier all the time? Pity the poor squad leaders.

Seventh, as has been mentioned, all this eletronics gear is complex, heavy and prone to breakdown. Electonics and moisture aren't a good combination. Electronics don't do well with heat. Electronics also don't do well with being pounded on, vibrated, hit with shock waves from explosions and being fallen on by a couple hundred pounds of soldier desperately trying to set a new speed record in hitting the dirt after the first round of incoming goes off a dozen yards away.

I know we have to develop technology like this to keep ahead of the tech curve. But I think it's being rushed into the field by Pentagon goobers with a woody over this latest new technotoy. I think we'll use it in training and develop new tactics that create a strong dependance on this technology. And once it goes into the field for real, and it fails, or worse, the enemy hacks into and uses our own technology against us, our people will die.

41 posted on 07/27/2002 5:54:02 AM PDT by Vigilant1
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Does "No Place to Hide" refer to the enemy or the weapon itself :P
44 posted on 07/27/2002 6:42:17 AM PDT by Saturnalia
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I saw this dog on the History Channel.

At 20 or so pounds it is way too heavy for an infantry rifle.

It also requires batteries. Battery technology is not very good yet, heavy and short-lived.

Finally, while I have not seen it stripped, it appears to be a very complicated system. Infantry weapons should be simple. The M-16 has too many parts for my way of thinking (yes, I know it works).

I would much rather have an AK, an M-16, an M-1, an M-14(best choice), or even a lever-action 30-30, rather than one of these gee-whiz gizmos.

45 posted on 07/27/2002 6:47:47 AM PDT by LibKill
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