Freeper Views on Origins - Patriarchs

Alamo-Girl | 7/24/02 | Alamo-Girl

[Wm Bach]

How about the rumor going around that Enoch was elevated
to angel status? Hangs around with Rapael the Watcher.

[MissAmericanPie]

It looks like that is what is meant. Like I say it's kind of hard to understand from a human perspective, but when you look at verses that say the stars will fall, the entire universe will be shaken, the elements will melt, and other scriptures such as, Revelation 21:1 "And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea.", and Revelation 21:5 "And he that sat upon the throne said, Behold, I make all things new." I notice here that God doesn't say that he makes "all new things", but that He makes "all things new".

I wouldn't know what to call this, a dimension meld? A uniting of the world of the spirit with the physical world? It's obvious something really different will happen. It's beyond me what it will be, but we know it will be wonderful.

[Alamo-Girl]

I haven't heard that rumor.

The name Rapael, spelled that way, is not on the list of Watchers who bred with earth women. The chiefs of them are named in 1 Enoch 6 as Semyaz, Arakeb, Rame'el, Tam'el, Ram'el, Dan'el, Ezeqel, Baraqyal, As'el, Armaros, Batar'el, Anan'el, Zaqe'el, SasomaspWe'el, Kestar'el, Tur'el, Yamayol, and Arazyal. The ones who taught the earth people the forbidden things are named as: Azaz'el, Amasras, Armaros, Baraqiyal, Kokarer'el, Tam'el, Asder'el.

A closer match for the name spelled Rapael would be one of the holy archangels which are named in 1 Enoch 20: Suru'el, Raphael, Raguel, Michael, Saraq'el and Gabriel.

[Alamo-Girl]

Thank you for sharing your analysis!

The dimension meld or blending of spiritual/physical realms that you propose for the Revelation 21 new heaven and earth is very interesting!

I had previously heard it proposed that Rev 21:1 refers to a "big crunch" - the reverse of a "big bang", forming a new singularity out of which would spring a new heaven and earth. But being particularly "keen" on higher dimensional dynamics, I do want to examine your theory much more closely!!!

[andy_card]

If power corrupts, and absolute power corrupts absolutely, what does that say about G_d?

[Alamo-Girl]

Thank you for your post!

Although I suspect your question might be rhetorical, I'll respond with the same logic as post #28. In my view, power (like genetic material, space/time and anything else manifest) is part of creation and not something whereby the Creator exists

[andy_card]

Medved, I agree entirely. The huge amounts of radiation that blanketed the earth following the cellestial cataclysm associated with the flood vastly increased the rate of mutations among all life forms. Evolution sped up exponentially. Unfortunately, dinosaurs had a lower tolerance for genetic diversity and radiation poisoning, and so all of their hair and teeth fell out, and they bled from their gums. This is all depicted on Indian rock painting and has been relayed in my culture's oral tradition for generation upon generation. I assure you, it was not a pretty sight.

[andy_card]

So the Creator has no power?

[Tribune7]

Fascinating. Nice job. Enoch, however, does have some fairly goofy stuff in it concerning the portals of the wind.

[MissAmericanPie]

"The dimension meld or blending of spiritual/physical realms that you propose for the Revelation 21 new heaven and earth is very interesting!"

I hope you don't mean by "interesting", "Somebody grab a net", lol. I don't know what to make of it and I'm no physicist, but it does say what it says and I try to understand what I am being instructed about in the word of God. I'm afraid this is beyond me, I get the hint, but not the full understanding.

I don't think the scriptures that says the elements will melt is a metaphor, I assume they will actually melt and this is a coming event.

[LostTribe]

Bump to BLAM, FYI, for the dates in the original post.

[Alamo-Girl]

Thanks for sharing your view!

[Alamo-Girl]

Thank you so much for the encouragement and for your views on Enoch!

I've been meaning to go back and reread some of the 1 Enoch descriptions replacing the physics terms of wavelengths and/or fields for references to winds. There may not be anything there, but I'm terribly curious (LOL!)

[onedoug]

Thanks so much, A-G. Fascinating as before and always. I'll be coming back to it.

Just to begin, re the oxidation of cellular structures. Isn't it ironic?

Everything good....

[Alamo-Girl]

Oh no, I didn't mean "interesting" that way at all!

If you haven't already, please read the first thread and the link to "Physics and Kabbala" - it is written without all the techno-phrasing.

I agree with your strict reading of the Word, that the elements will melt.

[Alamo-Girl]

Thank you so very much for the kudos and encouragement! I agree with you about the irony. Hugs!!!

[Tribune7]

One thing I like about Enoch, though, is its very specific condemnation of abortion, which is a pretty strong indication that Judism has historically considered the practice to be vile despite the insistance of revisionists.

[Saundra Duffy]

Way over my head.

[blam]

"Bump to BLAM, FYI, for the dates in the original post."

Thanks for the ping.

[Alamo-Girl]

Thank you for your post!

For those following, here is an anti-abortion passage from 1 Enoch 69:12:

The fifth is named Kasadya; it is he who revealed to the children of the people (the various) flagellations of all evil --- (the flagellation) of the souls and the demons, the smashing of the embryo in the womb so that it may be crushed...