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U.S. Preparing World for Iraq Attack - Russia
reuters ^ | 7/24/02

Posted on 07/24/2002 11:22:21 AM PDT by knak

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well, duh
1 posted on 07/24/2002 11:22:21 AM PDT by knak
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To: knak
It's fixing to hit the fan, I can smell it in the air.
2 posted on 07/24/2002 11:28:19 AM PDT by HELLRAISER II
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To: knak
This was posted by someone on another web forum, but I thought it is was pretty good.

"Gentleman (and comrade), when the operational range of your frontline bomber is 14,000 miles, and when they get there they can drop half their bombs within a six foot circle of error, and no one has an air defense system or air force that can touch you, you DO already rule the world. It's simply a question of when and where you need to prove it to the more slow-witted."

"...Yes, there is continuity and pattern in history, but there is also change. We live in the time of change."

"The American Republic is not riding the tide of history; it IS the tide of history. We are, in the next 20 years, going to see the culmination of the process begun when Alexander first came ashore in Asia: the unification of the world under the Western Cultural system. That system will triumph because it is the only one that recognizes and operates on the fact the determinative unit of human destiny is the individual, not religion, race, class, sex, ethnicity or anything else. None can resist that truth for long; it sweeps all before it."

"Our glorious and imperial republic has not wiped out, with its own blood and treasure, the stain of slavery, plowed under the Habsburgs and Hohenzollerns, flattened imperial Japan, fascist Italy and Nazi Germany, and ground down the false dogma of communism -- we have NOT done all that, to be stopped now by a bunch of wild-eyed pistol-wavers from the 13th century. Men who think it a sagacious, pro-family move to remove the clitorises of pre-turn girls; who won't keep dogs as pets because they view those animals as "unclean," but who at the same time think nothing of wiping their own butts with their own bare hands -- such people have no hold on history or our national destiny."

Ty Bomba - 11:08am Mar 26, 2002

3 posted on 07/24/2002 11:42:07 AM PDT by egarvue
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To: knak; hobbes1
Soon. Very soon.
4 posted on 07/24/2002 11:44:22 AM PDT by NeoCaveman
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To: knak
Kick their @$$, take their gas!
Will it be a hard hit or a PC swish?
5 posted on 07/24/2002 11:45:42 AM PDT by rockfish59
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To: knak
"It is very important that Iraq in the very near future, accepts the return of international inspectors, who could ... confirm the declarations of the Iraqi leadership that they have no weapons of mass destruction and no program to create such weapons," Ivanov added.

This comment tells it all. Everyone knows Iraq HAS weapons of mass destruction, and that they will never accept an inspection program that could actually result in their elimination.

Since all the players involved know this, Ivanov is sending a different message than appears on the surface. The real message is that Russia will not support Iraq when we attack.

6 posted on 07/24/2002 11:49:27 AM PDT by EternalHope
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To: dubyaismypresident
Well, here is another clue. Last week, al the experts were saying we needed definitive impetus, to make a strike at Iraq legit. Then this AMs papers report that Tony Blair, says he is developing a Nuke...
7 posted on 07/24/2002 11:53:58 AM PDT by hobbes1
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To: knak
The political-diplomatic potential for resolving the Iraq situation is far from being exhausted," Ivanov said.

Wrong. They are exhausted. Time to move on to 'politics by other means'.

8 posted on 07/24/2002 12:00:57 PM PDT by madison46
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To: dubyaismypresident
Ah, the sounds of distant thunder keeps getting louder and louder.
9 posted on 07/24/2002 12:11:54 PM PDT by chiefqc
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To: chiefqc
When does the weather start getting cooler over in Iraq? That's probably the target time.
10 posted on 07/24/2002 12:53:22 PM PDT by tippytoes
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To: knak
"Russian Deputy Foreign Minister Alexander Saltanov is currently on a tour of Middle East states to discuss Iraq and the Palestinian-Israeli crisis."

I wonder if he'll discuss the role his former Soviet Government played in funding, training, and fometing middle-east terrorist groups.
11 posted on 07/24/2002 1:01:48 PM PDT by PsyOp
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To: EternalHope
The real message is that Russia will not support Iraq when we attack.

No, the real message is that Russia wants to be on Europe's good side. When the attack comes (as it will), Russia will make itself look like it's holding its nose (along with Europe) when it decides to support us (as it will).

12 posted on 07/24/2002 4:09:49 PM PDT by yendu bwam
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To: PsyOp
I wonder if he'll discuss the role his former Soviet Government played in funding, training, and fometing middle-east terrorist groups.

What groups are you referring to? As far as I'm aware, we're the ones who propped up Sadam (when Iran was the #1 bad guy) and we also supported Bin Laden's and his mujihadeen crew in Afghanistan against the Soviets.

Kinda funny how intervention breeds the necessity for more intervention, eh? But forgive me, such statements are verboten nowadays.

13 posted on 07/24/2002 4:51:48 PM PDT by bob808
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To: bob808
"What groups are you referring to?"

You're kidding, Right? The Soviets were major funders of terrorist around the world, including Arafats PLO and Hizbolah. They funded and or trained by proxy every terrorist group that operated out of Syria, Libya, and Egypt. After the crash of the Soviet Union they turned to their Arab bretheren, mostly the Saudis, to replace the funding they lost. The war in Afghanistan not withstanding.

For years they denied this, even though terrorist of every stripe were brought to Moscow to train at the Patrice Lamumba (sp?) Friendship University - a.k.a. Terrorist U. Arafat himself attended. Remeber Carlos the Jackal? He too was an Alumni. The list is long and notorious. Do some research, the Hoover Institute is a good place to start.
14 posted on 07/24/2002 6:41:01 PM PDT by PsyOp
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To: Askel5; flamefront; Aaron_A; Hopalong
It will be very interesting to see how Russia responds to the US attack on Iraq. If this war is proceeds without a UN Security Council vote, Russia will be angry.
15 posted on 07/24/2002 7:03:54 PM PDT by Sawdring
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To: Thinkin' Gal; Jeremiah Jr
U.S. Preparing World for Iraq Attack - Russia

And the attacker is? ........Door A, Door B or Door C?

16 posted on 07/24/2002 7:12:35 PM PDT by 2sheep
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To: Sawdring
Pooty-Poot will listen to the oil deals first.
17 posted on 07/24/2002 7:57:36 PM PDT by flamefront
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To: Sawdring; Uncle Bill
Washington was using the United Nations to soften up world opinion

Ah yes, Uncle Sam's lackey the UN.

As if the Security Council was some spoil of the Cold War or something or -- just because Bill and Hillary are mere resident scourges, along with the UN, in the State of New York -- the UN is now a Good Thing ... a Partner, perhaps, in the War on Terror.

Using a matter-of-fact observation from some Former Soviet Communist who brokered our pact for Afghanistan with Pickering in August 2000, the lead itself makes crystal clear that this is (the Body, the "Human Face" Nexus) of World Revolution at work and yet we beat our chests. GO UN!! GO UN!! GO UN!!

No more pissing-on-the-UN gifs around here, baby. They're on our side now. Do what we tell 'em, when we tell 'em whether the World -- and their soon-to-be softened brains -- likes it or not. Because, evidently ... as Right and as Moral and as Justified as we are, the US cannot make its case to the world and must needs rely on the Professional Opinion Makers at the UN who've done such a job on us to help us.

This is precisely the thing that so appalled and astonished me when Jeane Kirkpatrick spoke at CPAC this year. Indeed, Uncle Bill, I was shocked, for I'd heard her two years prior, under Clinton, decrying precisely the World State's "war time" undermining of national sovereignty she now supports in earnest. Complete 180 on the UN because ... this time, for a change ... they were serving our purposes.

What does that say about our purposes when the UN's pleased to be serving Same ... "softening up world Opinion" no less?

This is your brain ... this is your brain on Pragmatism.

If Pragmatism hadn't existed (and it didn't) they'd have had to invent it (and they did) so the West would get a buzz of Esteem and Empowerment in making -- and cheering -- the almighty Choices it rationalized relative to its own destruction.

18 posted on 07/24/2002 8:03:45 PM PDT by Askel5
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To: Uncle Bill
"These are all signs America has become more active."

Well ... it's not like we're just going to sit on our duffs now that we're firmly within what Putin called the "House of the Soviets".

Western leaders revelaed, by their remarks following the ceremony [welcoming Russia, somewhat, to NATO], that they continued to lack any understanding of Russian strategy, or even to recognise that Moscow has any strategy at all.

Mr. Bush shaid that cooperation with the World's largest nuclear power was 'more likely to be achieved by welcoming Russia West'. One senior Bush Administration official, ignorant of the reality that the new ex-Warsaw Pact NATO members are agents for a hostile Moscow, added: "You can't surround the Russians with more and more NATO members and do nothing to ease the pain." As for the remarks of Bush's Secretary of State, Colin Powell, these are excoriated on page 3.*

So what did President Putin have to say after signing the document setting up the new Nato-Russia Council? This is what he said:

We should call ourselves the House of the Soviets

A few leaders, including Mr. Bush, chuckled. And so that it would not be recorded in the Minutes, that "ex"-Communist Lord Robertson, the NATO Secretary General, responded: "I will declare that to be a joke."

But what was funny about Mr. Putin's remark?

Soviet Analyst, Vol. 28 No. 1, June 2002

*[If you want his and Condi's quips, I'll print them.]

19 posted on 07/24/2002 8:13:28 PM PDT by Askel5
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To: nunya bidness
Obligatory Pootie-Pootie Pinups ...

           

G, R U in love or what?

20 posted on 07/24/2002 8:39:55 PM PDT by Askel5
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