2nd Bug Expert Bolsters Westerfield Defense: (Dusek Melting Down Before Juries Eyes!!)

NBC/San Diego ^ | July 22, 2002 | NBC/San Diego

[Freedom2specul8]

Sweetpea, you are one of the few who constantly like to tell those who you label VanDamApologist's aka VDA's that YOU have a superior knowledge of this case, not only cuz you are NOT a vda, but because you have this keen sense fairness and are all about justice. So who claims to have a moral authority? You who feels you are righteous in your accusations and smug comments? So, one would assume that a serious, yet fair person such as yourself would be willing to share thoughts, opinions no matter how mundane, boring or trivial the they are. Anyone dares bring up an issue or little factoid in the case you don't want to discuss and they are told they are frightening? Talk about obsessed...."free hazmat dave" over and over and over gets a "little" old, and could be considered slightly odd cuz it shows so much bias and concern for DW...but I think these threads are about all about those little bits of playful freedom...does playful freedoms include the outragous comment you left? You are the one who says that you give the weight of each and every piece of evidence equal consideration. You are the one who claims to be willing to discuss the 'facts' of the case, and you and/or a couple of your buds say the big bad VDA's are all emotional threadhounds who should not be given the privilege to bring up a topic of discussion with a couple of folks. Yet you will pick and select what little bit of facts the rest of us can share and discuss without second thought? There are a few "free big dave" fans, who have run people off the threads cuz they had the nerve to express their opinion, whether it was rumor, factoid or baseless....they should not have been run off.

I got 3 freepmails with requests for removals from the VD ping list last night from people who would be labeled VDA's. *that's 5 in less than a week*.

BTW,had I not had server problems last night, I would have not just "left" 2 posts about human hairs...but dern, that's life. You and I both know that when one of us brings a point up, we have a reason...a simple patient reply or wait would have sufficed.. As far as the bug topic goes, it wasn't the topic of the day for everyone because people either chose to not delve into it.. or because we still have questions that can't be answered. IMHO, the jury should have been educated a bit more on the mummifcation process and it's relation to bugs.heaven forbid that people have different opinions and actually express them on this freedom forum, lest they become verbal punching bags. Oh and :-D

[VRWC_minion]

Why is the bug guy not "iffy" when the DA's office uses him?

As I see it right now, the defense needs to explain the presence of the positive evidence in the RV in order to be certain of getting a not guilty vote.

Putting all the eggs in the basket of a bug guy is too big a chance.

If kids did play in the RV finding at least one kid who played in the RV must not be that hard to do.

On the other side, I agree that the prosecution needs to provide at least an alternate theory to respond to the bug guys. My guess will be that he'll approach it two-fold. On the one hand he will attempt to find an alternate way of coming up with the same life cycles as the bug guys but it will be based a later start date due to weather.

I also guess he will attempt to establish some other evidence that puts the date earlier than the bug guys, possibly some connection to the animal's, rain or something else that provides a way for the juror to accept an earlier dump date.

If the prosecutor doesn't even offer a fig leaf I would assme a hung jury. Because of the unexplained positive evidence in the RV I don't see the jury coming back with a not guilty, the best they would do is a hung jury.

[EllaMinnow]

Did you hear Feldman say he'd wrap up the defense tomorrow?

Doesn't leave much time to grill Barb and Bill Libby, expose a conspiracy, link evidence to Avila, and have old Westie proclaim his innocence to the accompaniment of a choir of angels, does it?

I guess he's saving the real defense for surrebuttal!

[rolling_stone]

Apparently 2 things were brought up at the last sidebar, something about Pitches material and a tape of Dehesa site from KUSI TV. I don't know exactly the significance, but have a sense something could break this open a bit. Having the Avila case broken, may indeed shed some light or at least some doubt, and may allow for possibly testimony of 3rd party culpability. Will have to wait and see. I know if I was the Defense, I would be trying like heck to find any similarities to Avila and bring them in NOW.

[VRWC_minion]

Nevertheless, if it rained in that area on the 17th and if her body was out there with broken areas of the skin, then it could have collected a fresh supply of moisture for the larva.

If it were too dry within a 10 mile radius could fly's make it that far to leave larva ?

[rolling_stone]

There is a golf course about 1/2 mile away that uses sprinklers for irrigation, nuf said?

[cyncooper]

Did you hear Feldman say he'd wrap up the defense tomorrow?

Doesn't leave much time to grill Barb and Bill Libby, expose a conspiracy, link evidence to Avila, and have old Westie proclaim his innocence to the accompaniment of a choir of angels, does it?

Yes, I actually heard the judge say that the defense had indicated they would rest on Wednesday. Also, will they call Neal to say it was he, not dear old dad, that was downloading porn? What about the expert John Jamieson promised us that would prove the blood isn't blood?

It may come to pass, we shall see...

[connectthedots]

I did read the case in its entirety. I also know that the U.S. Constitution bars special privileges being granted to individuals that are not available to all. My main point is that a reference to a lawyer being an 'officer of the court' does not mean that they are an actual part of the court. I think the case clearly makes the point that just because it is widely stated that attorneys are 'officers of the court' does not make it so. This phrase has been repeated so often without challenge that most people simply accept it as true when, in reality, it is not. When I challenged it, the judge did not even attempt to disagree.

[EllaMinnow]

You got 888 - much more pleasant than 666!

[Stiv]

Are you talking about scent at the dump site? I am still referring to the MH.

I realize this is a late reply, but Feldman was referring to the MH, in response to Dusek's rather odd suggestion that Westerfield drove a dead Danielle around in the MH for 36-48 hours. I say odd because on re-direct Haskell said that would have made the body an even better place for bugs once it was dumped at the Dehesa site.

[cyncooper]

Much better!

[demsux]

I would definitely expect to see Bill Libby testify, since he was mentioned in his opening statement...unless, something big comes out regarding the Runnion case being connected to the VD case.

[connectthedots]

One needs to read the case in its entirety to understand why the term "officers" is important to this particular case. You can't just go thru and pick out sentences out of context and then say that they mean what you want them to mean.

I do understand why the term "officers" was important to that case. If attorneys actually were 'officers of the court', the decision would have yielded an opposite result.

[Freedom2specul8]

Thanks stiv... so many little aspects of this case, and testimony and questions from defense/prosecution...it's hard to keep up with all of it let alone understand it too.

[juzcuz]

How far can a fly-fly??? HAAAA

Well, I don't know-- but, bug guy Faulkner said flies are attracted to (moist things). Haskell, said blowflies like (soft fresh meat).

[Rheo]

Motion to exclude press from portions of hearings...Judge may ok the motion.

[Freedom2specul8]

So they'll never be described as exact matches by the criminalists.....even if they share the same source? IE: blanket or towel? But the prosecution can say it?

[cyncooper]

Judge takes the bench. Media allowed for now, but will have to leave in a bit when they begin discussing evidentiary matters.

[Rheo]

Feldman may go into 2 areas...media and exhibits produced.....the video provided to them was Beta..need to convert to VHS.....photo boards may or may not see the light of day.