2nd Bug Expert Bolsters Westerfield Defense: (Dusek Melting Down Before Juries Eyes!!)

NBC/San Diego ^ | July 22, 2002 | NBC/San Diego

[alexandria]

We don't know where the brilliant emerald green, red or light blue fibers came from, that were not in DW's environment....there is no source for any of the fibers.

Frustrating isn't it? After reading up on fiber evidence and how it came about as a forensic tool the "no known source" statement COULD be an ambiguous statement capitalized on by the DA.

Fiber evidence in and of itself, without a known source is pretty much useless.
Reason being, the chance that you, Sally, Joe, and I most likely have purchased something made with a particular material blend and dye color is too great. IE towels, blankets, sheets, clothes, all purchased at local stores Wal-Mart Mervyns.

Where fiber evidence becomes important and noteworty is when, as in the Atlanta murders case, the fiber in question can be traced to a verifiable source that for some reason is not available to much of the population.

As mentioned above the green acrylic fiber that was found on victim was found to match a possible suspects home carpeting.
Upon further investigation the carpet was traced to a company that sold carpet by the hundreds of thousands of rolls. However, it just so happened that that particular shade of green dye was a limited or discontinued color.
The company had sold the majority of the rolls to a contractor that had only used it in apts. in the Eastern states, this cut the odds to around tens of thousands of possible odds, still too high.
The clear and convicting evidence was when the next victim was found and had, (if I remember correctly) not only a couple of the green fibers present but new brown acrylic fibers. These brown fibers matched the carpet found in the suspects car as their source.
Odds of that, real slim, especially since he had been seen around the last dumping location of body, loose alibi, etc.
Anyways, the fiber evidence CAN have merit but only in certain cases and only combined with other forensic evidence, forensic bug evidence is very reliable and even standing by itself it establishes and provides us with facts about the crime and crime scene. When it is veiwed with other forensic facts it can be most revealing.

[Freedom2specul8]

IT DOESN'T surprise me that you both said that..sick as it was. I'm very disappointed...

[dread78645]

Wow. I ought to be a jury. Get paid good money

What ? Are you 12 years old and mowing lawns ?

[calawah98]

Thanks for your great posts, really learn a lot from them. Now I need to ask you a question, If the LE lifted 125 prints from the DVD home, none matched their guests they had that nite and none matched DW, where are the prints of the guests? Why would'nt they show up?

[alexandria]

Too many possible variables to count including, Limited time in house areas that would retain their prints without being disturbed my other family members railings, doorfacings(sp), kitchen counters/table. other reasons could be just crappy print dude.
I also belive there was a considerable media circus going on right after the first 8-10 hours this plus cameramen, PR people, and lord only knows who else most likely messed up all or most of the prints that would have been left that night.

[dread78645]

It was mentioned to me that Danielle had fibers on her body ...

Get a rope.

[calawah98]

Thanks, now off to bed.

[meadsjn]

Against all that you have the paid bug men. Good grief.

The first paid bug man was hired by the prosecutor. His investigation was done and his report prepared while he was working for the prosecution. His findings didn't match the prosecution theory, so Dusek didn't enter his report into evidence. The defense did. The second bug man used different techniques, but arrived at a time-frame only slightly shorter than that of the first report, but neither fit the prosecutor's (and police) contention that the body was dumped on Feb 2.

I don't know what the SD media is saying, but it surely doesn't match the transcripts.

[dread78645]

and $100 here, Greg.

[CAPPSMADNESS]

LOL! cracks me up every time I see it! And I never would have thought of shrinkwrap - I always thought more along the lines of Tight, black rubber suits..........um.....forget that, the visual is much to awful.....

[John Jamieson]

Best Evidence, The Murder of Danielle

I have watched as much of the trial as possible on CourtTV, and the Internet. I have reread major portions of the transcriptions and discussed the case for many hours on this forum. I see tons of tealeaf reading type evidence: hoses, lights, curtains, dancing, sex play, porno, and fibers that may or may not have a common source. I see only two areas of good quality, scientific evidence worthy of serious consideration.

First is the motorhome evidence. DNA from Danielle is in the MH and on Westerfield’s jacket which may have been in the motorhome. The DNA evidence is backed by a fingerprint, and hair. Most people are aware that I believe no conclusive test for blood was ever run, but it doesn’t matter on an objective level, only an emotional one. Since Danielle’s DNA is in there, I can think of only three ways it could be.

1. DW grabbed Danielle and killed her in or out of the motorhome, leaving blood or drool DNA, the fingerprint and hair.
2. Danielle got into the motorhome on her own and played in there, leaving the same evidence.
3. The motorhome was “flaked” by LE to build a case ie. DW was framed.

Second is the bug evidence found on the body that says the body was placed there no earlier than Feb 12th. An expert paid for by the prosecution and one paid for by the defense have both testified to the scientific validity of their conclusions, and they are in very good agreement (as I write this of course there is a third expert waiting in the wings, who is unlikely to outweigh the other two, and probably won’t even disagree much). I see only three reasonable explanations for the Feb 12th earliest dump date.

1. Danielle was alive until at least Feb 12th.
2. Danielle’s body was refrigerated until Feb 12th.
3. Danielle’s body was tightly sealed against bugs until Feb 12th, and then unsealed.

All three require the action of a human being to make the body available to bugs on the 12th.

Lots of theories about this case exist, but there are really only three possibilities.

1. Westerfield did it alone.
2. Westerfield did with an accomplice
3. Somebody else did it.

Now we need to test these three theories against the two major hunks of good scientific evidence.

1. Westerfield did it alone. Doesn’t fit, he was under constant police surveillance and could not have dropped off the body.
2. Westerfield did it with accomplice. Does fit. Explains both the motorhome evidence and bug evidence.
3. Somebody else did it. Does fit, but only if you use the second or third explanation for the DNA.

The prosecution theory as expressed in the opening statements is clearly theory 1. Unless the judge allows the prosecution to reopen the testimony to try to prove theory 2, then DW walks. Would it be double jeopardy to switch now? I don’t know the law well enough to say.

By this analysis it sure looks like DW will be judged not guilty, with many people believing that theory two was the only logical approach for the prosecution to take, and they blew it.

[CAPPSMADNESS]

But was the blond hair proven to be Dannielle's? and finding a stray pubic hair in a MH that the man used on trips (and some of the trips involved lady friends) is not a big deal...... Geesh! you are really reaching!

[Yeti]

Probality theory.

Makin' it up, makin' it up.

The events described are not card draws. I think your scenario might be a Bays' Theorem problem.

But really it's a quantum probability issue, what with all the spin I detect on it.

[CAPPSMADNESS]

Nevertheless, I nagging suspicion that maybe the scene was something more macabre, like cut out pieces of flesh that were placed there. I wonder if it was that way?

I really don't think so, This body was placed there - and from what I understand, quite hidden. Not the act of a panicked killer - but of someone who took the time to hide their crime.

You would be amazed at how fast animals can dessimate and scatter a corps. The Bundy case is a good example - some of the victims remains were never found in their entirety.

[Yeti]

I will explain it all tomorrow.

I wonder if you would be so kind as to ping me to that post when you make it.

My work and all make it hard to keep up with the threads, and I miss alot scrolling through squabbling, banter and absurdity. I want to be sure I catch any content-rich posts.

Well, if he couldn't do it, he couldn't do it. I guess that's where Feldman rests. He would have to supply video of cops planting evidence(BTW that happened to me before, and if I remember, I will tell the story sometime, as it is relevant to this topic and more common that ppl think) to convince some of the DW persecutors of the obvious.

I just wish we had proof of who did it. Maybe Feldman has some info from the Avila case to punctuate the trial.

[dread78645]

IT DOESN'T surprise me that you both said that..sick as it was. I'm very disappointed...

Reality is very disappointing.

And you seem to have issues with sexual organs: ("Westerfield boxer-shorts bumps (Ewww)", Danielle pubic hair "sick as it was").

Uhmmm, Kim. are you 14 years old ?

[Yeti]

Excelent point on the Mudd instruction. Mudd has no way of know if there is or is not a connection, how can he instruct the jurors that there is none?

He tells them to make assumptions not in evidence. The only reason there has not already been a mistrial is that DW stands to make more money by being falsely convicted, then exonerated that by having the case thrown out.

All of the relevant evidence that has been suppressed by LE WILL COME OUT eventually. Did the caller on the 16th have a hispanic accent? Were some of the hairs in the RV Brenda's? The VD's prophetic comments about finding the body are more incriminating than DW unrecorded alleged comments to LE.

DW will be Emperor of San Diego when the dust settles from this. Some LE belong behind bars, not just reprimanded.

[spectre]

"It's such garbage this battle of the experts$ crap.

Henry Lee testified for O.J., big deal, yeah he's innocent."

ALL experts are paid for their research and testimony. The desperate comment made by the opposition "are you getting paid?" is designed to cheapen the experts testimony to the jury...happens in every case.

Greg, you would have been the perfect Juror to serve on the O.J. case. Your mind is made up before hand, and the evidence doesn't matter. You critize them, for doing the same thing you are are doing..LOL!

(Oh, if we could only see ourselves as others do..)

sw

[KLT]

As far as DW goes, if he is PROVEN guilty, then he should fry - but I don't see a lot of proof here, just a small amount of circumstantial evidence and a very small amount of what is said to be DNA evidence. one hair and 2 "spots" is not alot to convince me. I want to see motive, I want to see proof of how the crime was committed and supporting evidence.

You know, the defense is putting on a compelling case...

Honestly, we don't get much on this case here in NY....so I have to go by Fresno's threads....which seem to be current...

One hair, and 2 spots of blood can be compelling, but if the child had been in his home before, it can be explained away...afterall the child was a neighbor...The hair could have come in on the bottom of his shoe.....everything can be accounted for...

[EllaMinnow]

http://www.jameson245.com/dw_redden.htm

The complete Westerfield interview transcript, from the website of jameson, a known anti-prosecution blogger.