"In God We Trust" posters going up; *Freeper Action Alert on judiciary and Pledge/national motto*

July 21, 2002 | myself

[f.Christian]

Only such a realization equips the soul to withstand the enormous batterings of antichrist.

[f.Christian]

That's why we separate government from religion.

SSSSSSSSSUUUUUUUUUUUUUUURRRRRRRRRRRE!

[BartMar]

"For your consideration:

"Those of us who venerate freedom, be we Jewish or Christian, be we religious or secularized, have no option but to pray for the health of Christianity in America. No other group possesses both the faith and the numbers sufficient to hold back the ever-encroaching, sometimes sinister, power of the state." - Daniel Lapin
Now is not a good time for believers to get wobbly. YOU need us now more than ever. Get over it."

I don't need you any at all. I have no problems with you practicing your relgion - on your own. Keep it out of my government.

[f.Christian]

I see the bartfart Taliban is alive and well.

[ForGod'sSake]

Please consider your quote.

That's rich; as if I hadn't already.

This is an opinion, and one which doesn't seem to make much sense. "...be we religious or secularized, have no option but to pray for the health of Christianity..." Ummm...if we're secularized, why would we pray?

Duh! Of course it's an opinion. As if that renders the statement somehow impotent? You seem to confuse athiest and secularist. I won't explain the difference to you; you could use the research time.

You either missed the point of the statement, or chose not to address it. That is, that without believers holding back the tidal wave of evil, you're toast...burnt toast at that.

Let's please keep America a free country for all the people, not just the Christians.

Look at it another way: Once Christians loose their freedom, you can just about bet no one else will have any liberties left either(that's an opinion BTW). What makes you think that when the principles on which this country was founded are laid waste, there will be anything left for you??? You my boy will be one boot licker extraordinaire. Surely, somewhere in the convolutions of your gray matter, this must strike a cord. Maybe not.

America was founded as a place where anyone could believe - or not - as they choose, without fear of State intervention, supports the exclusion of religious language from government institutions.

Uh, Communist Manifesto? DNC talking points? I can't possibly fathom the rationale you use to produce such a statement. I suppose carried to its logical conclusion, social security recipients would not be allowed to display the Ten Commandments in their living rooms. If receiving money from the public till is all it takes to make an institution a government institution(and what about government contractors?), I'm afraid we'll be awash in giverment institutions...which in fact we are!

Bottom line as I see it: You should be hoping(praying) that believers don't abandon their posts on the walls. When Christian's liberties are gone, yours will soon follow. What could possibly make you think otherwise?

FGS

[ForGod'sSake]

I have no problems with you practicing your relgion - on your own. Keep it out of my government.

How are things in China BTW?

FGS

[f.Christian]

bttt

[reasonseeker]

It is a deception worthy of a liberal to post a link to an article about the history of the "In God We Trust" motto of the USA -- an article that never mentions the fact that it replaced the original motto chosen by the Founding Fathers: "E Pluribus Unum." If children are to be taught that the Founding Fathers believed in God, they should also be taught that despite their religious beliefs, the Founders chose a SECULAR motto that was changed to a religious one nearly 200 years after the fact, not for religious, but for crass political reasons.

[rwfromkansas]

Yet they don't learn of having a paid chaplain in Congress either.........

Sorry, you apparently hate the national motto and don't want kids exposed to it. when it was adopted makes no difference since it fits in with the original intent of the First Amendment that is shown clearly in our early history.

[reasonseeker]

Apparently the Knights of Columbus and Congress hated the secular motto the Founding Fathers chose, "E Pluribus Unum," so much that they worked to get it changed to a religious motto. If the Founders were so religious and wanted religion to be a part of government, why didn't they choose a religious motto themselves in the first place? "E Pluribus Unum" got us through two World Wars. What was wrong with it?

[reasonseeker]

And as far as chaplains in Congress are concerned, James Madison for one was against it, so if children are taught that we have a paid chaplain in Congress, it should also be taught that at least one of the Founding Fathers thought it was a bad idea.

[rwfromkansas]

You are basing your opinion on what the founding fathers wanted with religion in public based on ONE freaking example. Somehow you think that is sufficient.

I don't know whether to call you ignorant or an idiot.

[rwfromkansas]

Madison supported a bill to punish Sabbath breakers in Virginia, said the First Amendment was only intended to prohibit a national religion (as recorded in the Annals of Congress), Jefferson went to church IN THE CAPITOL, Jefferson wrote in letters that he opposed making one religious sect legally above another (the real meaning of the establishment clause), Jefferson and Madison gave FEDERAL funds to missionaries, the Northwest Ordinance encourages religion and morality to be taught in schools, during the Civil War the military mandated church service attendance for soldiers, both state and federal courts supported religion in the public sphere in most cases prior to the 20th century, and "wall of separation of church and state" is not from a legally binding document and was simply an attempt at mitigating fears of Baptists that a state religion would be established (if it meant more Jefferson could not have done many of the things he did).

These are all facts, but they are ignored in the schools.

[ForGod'sSake]

Fitting nick. You're not likely to find what you're seeking till you install that windshield in your lower abdomen. It's gotta be tough seeing where you're going from that vantage point. Are you one of those guys that stumbles over the truth from time to time, only to pick yourself up and press on as if nothing has happened?

Onward through the fog...

FGS

[rwfromkansas]

Check out this thread. I read on another thread that you are a state rep. Would you be interested in introducing a bill to mandate the posting of the national motto in Kansas schools? I don't know what chance it would have at passage. That depends upon whether we get conservatives elected for the state legislature and whether Shallenburger becomes governor.