An Oklahoma Mystery New hints of links between Timothy McVeigh and Middle Eastern terrorists

L.A. Weekly ^ | JULY 19 - 25, 2002 | Jim Crogan

[gatorbait]

Credible deniability ?

Plausible deniability...

[Optimist]

thank you -drew a blank -"credible" was as close as I could think

[Betty Jo]

http://www.jrn.columbia.edu/studentwork/investigative2002/malone-intelligence.asp

Still serching for text of Bodansky report re Murrah.

It aint here.

But a lot of goodstuff is!

[Betty Jo]

http://www.nando.net/special_reports/terrorism/investigation/story/440551p-3526908c.html

Well, I just keep searching!

[zeaal]

Bump for a late night read.

[Betty Jo]

http://www.ileagles.net/binladen.htm

"Court records reveal Murad told the FBI on April 19,1995 a Muslim group known as the Liberaton Army of the Philippines was responsible for the bombing of the Alfred P. Murrah Federal Building."

Any body know where I can find those "court records"?

[Libertina]

Please take a look at this aricle. Especially read reply #6 by AmericanCompatriot.
What really happened to TWA flight 800

[aristeides]

Meanwhile, the Okie state prosecutors have the death penalty to hammer Nichols with. Which might inspire Nichols to unburden himself of some vital information...

If something can inspire those prosecutors to try to get the truth out of Nichols.

[thinden]

There's a term for that but I cant remember it.

plausible deniability?

[Nita Nupress]

I have to ask this question because I'm in the dark on it: Is Bodansky a good or bad guy?

I don't think Bodansky gave Jayna the 'okay' to release his name as the source of the "prior warning" message, so he's probably sitting on top of a powder keg right now, caught in the political cross hairs.  If you'll notice, his comment about not being able to say anything because he works for the government is FAR different than outright denying or discrediting the Middle East connection. 

I would imagine that our duly-elected politicians have to tread lightly on this powder keg because they've been sitting on top of Jayna Davis' information for all these years and have done nothing with it.  Public pressure from FReepers could do nothing but help. 

[Nita Nupress]

Hey, thanks for your great comments, especially the observation about the APB.   I wonder if we'll ever see those surveillance video tapes?  Talk about a "smoking gun."  I sure hope someone has made copies of them by now.  (And have the originals already officially "disappeared?")

As for "why the feds are not all over this," see my previous reply to Fred & thinden for my own opinion.  In my mind, if the politicos think they can get by with it, they'll bury this after a cursory "investigation" and hope we just forget about it.  When will they EVER learn?  Two wrongs don't make a right.

Also, I wanted to repeat something you said because it reflects my own thoughts so accurately:

...if by the 21st of April there was no middle east connection, why did the feds and the security detail feel the need for ten [Arabic] translators to assist in the investigation, and just what were they translating? And by their own admission, there were foreign threats in Oklahoma City, which would be a threat to the President, why was the shift turning so quickly to McVeigh and the right wing theory----now as I have stated before, there are only one or two people who could have ordered that drastic a shift in the investigation, and it rested with the man who traveled to Oklahoma City, and had need of the translators?

Thank you!

[Nita Nupress]

You could ask honway. He may know.

[cgbg]

it is only the far left and far right that will cover them. Because you have to be, already, some sort of "nut" to dare to question the accepted story.

Outstanding comment. You get an A!

You have also identified the "fault line" that seems to divide two camps of Freepers. One group seems to support the establishment (at least the Republican establishment) while the other group questions everything the establishment says (me, me, me ;-))

OKC bump!

[dirtboy]

EITHER CONVICTED OKLAHOMA CITY BOMBERS Timothy McVeigh and Terry Nichols were part of a conspiracy, possibly involving Middle Eastern and Filipino connections, or they were not.

Like, DUH! I'm sorry, but anyone who opens a supposedly serious article this way isn't gonna be taken seriously.

[Nita Nupress]

By the way, Yossef Bodansky is not an "elected official."

[Nita Nupress]

Like, DUH! I'm sorry, but anyone who opens a supposedly serious article this way isn't gonna be taken seriously.

LOL! Maybe he was trying to go easy on the 'ostrich' reader. You know... Bring him in slowly to avoid information overload. ;-)

[Fred Mertz]

If you'll notice, his [Bodansky's] comment about not being able to say anything because he works for the government is FAR different than outright denying or discrediting the Middle East connection.

Nita, thanks for being the first to try to answer my question after 70 replies. It makes sense that he could be a muzzled civil servant.

And who would muzzle him? I think I just answered my question. Thanks again Nitz!

Since his name appeared recently, I've been trying to figure out whether he's on the side of truth or not, without success. Your explanation is very plausible and likely.

[XBob]

thanks for the ping. I am sure OKC was al queda, out of Norman, OK, 20 miles S of OKC. and the BATF was aware, pulled out all their people - new article on WorldNetDaily - as proved by the firing in the last few days of the OKC ATF leader from another job.

[thinden]

How so? Nichols remains guilty -- an active conspirator in the same plot. We would have merely discovered there were more conpirators, and different motivations, than had been known heretofore. Hardly a justification for a reversal.

imo, the federal trial of nichols the jury came as close as you can get to "jury nullification" without actually letting him walk.

the reason for verdict could be that tiger introduced enough evidence of other conspirators to cause the jury to have reasonable doubt about the basis of the prosecutions case which had mcveigh & nichols acting alone.

although it has been obvious to many of us that there were numerous co-conspirators (ME, domestic, and gummit) evidence of this, including video surveillance tapes that would identify other perps has been deliberately & admittedly withheld or destroyed.

to allow padilla's testimony re: ME/terrorist participation would contradict the "official gummit" line.

a sharp lawyer could certainly use this to get the federal action declared a mistrial.

who knows what nichols real involvement was? I'm of the belief that nichols may have been a very minor player in the grand scheme of things.

I believe there are several guilty parties still on the streets killing or ready to kill again. I believe the gummit knows exactly who these people are and is doing nothing to bring them to justice.

why?

[honway]

Al-Hussaini and John Doe 2