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Arundel grand jury identifies real culprits in FBI (shooting of innocent young man in(Maryland)
Baltimore Sun ^ | July 14,2002 | Gregory Kane

Posted on 07/15/2002 10:49:20 AM PDT by Donald Stone

Edited on 09/03/2002 4:50:45 AM PDT by Jim Robinson. [history]

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To: Ajnin
They better be damn careful which federal agents they go after.

The FEDs will shoot back but the only people they hit will be uninvolved bystanders.

81 posted on 07/16/2002 7:58:08 AM PDT by putupon
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To: rdavis84; Travis McGee
Won't it be magnificent? All those Heros together in one place?

Magnificent target practice...

82 posted on 07/16/2002 8:02:26 AM PDT by MileHi
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To: gridlock
It is the unfortunate truth that police officers put their lives on the line when they put on the uniform at the beginning of a shift.

I see that you've fallen for this bit'o'propaganda too. Looking at Baltimore a year or so ago I did a calculation (just based on the number of police killed in the line of duty and the number of Baltimore citizens killed) and discovered that the peasants were more likely to be killed by criminals than the police. So at least in Baltimore (A gun control advocate's dream city) the police become SAFER when they don the uniform.

83 posted on 07/16/2002 8:10:21 AM PDT by from occupied ga
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To: from occupied ga
... the police become SAFER when they don the uniform.

That's an interesting tidbit. But I dare say that police are not killed often out of uniform either in Baltimore. They would tend to avoid danger at all times, not just while on duty.

But my point was that the police should be willing and required to accept an elevated level of risk that comes along with doing their jobs properly. And doing the job properly means not routinely pointing loaded firearms at innocent people who pose no immediate threat.

84 posted on 07/16/2002 8:28:28 AM PDT by gridlock
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To: Ajnin
They better be damn careful which federal agents they go after.

My point is that they won't. The "good cops" had better start pushing out the "bad cops", or the public, when it finally gets fed up with this, is not going to make the distinction.

The fact that all feds will be targeted, instead of just those who may deserve it, is what will be not pretty.

85 posted on 07/16/2002 8:33:46 AM PDT by RandomUserName
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To: gridlock
And doing the job properly means not routinely pointing loaded firearms at innocent people who pose no immediate threat.

True, but this is just going to get worse until those like Braga are found guilty of CRIMINAL charges not just civil ones. My kid was on neurosurgery consult at a Baltimore hospital and said they brought in an 80 year old man that the police had beaten so bady he was suffering from a subdural hematoma. (or was it subarachnid?) anyway the details aren't important, what is important is that the police can do pretty much waht they want to whomever they want and NEVER suffer any criminal convictions for their behavior

86 posted on 07/16/2002 9:18:26 AM PDT by from occupied ga
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To: RandomUserName
The "good cops" had better start pushing out the "bad cops",

Sorry it's not that easy. I know because it doesn't get any press time that you probably think it never happens, but the good cops have been doing just that.

87 posted on 07/16/2002 2:10:17 PM PDT by Ajnin
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To: putupon
I can guarantee that if I get shot at, I will kill the shooter even if he or she is cowardly enough to do it among innocent bystanders
88 posted on 07/16/2002 2:19:46 PM PDT by Ajnin
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To: Ajnin
The above statement should be amended. I will hit center mass with every round I fire which should kill the perpetrator. If the person should some how survive being shot center mass I'm not going to walk up kill the person if they are already incapacitated. They ill be taken into custody. I know I have to clarify that around here.
89 posted on 07/16/2002 2:30:51 PM PDT by Ajnin
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To: Ajnin
ill=will
90 posted on 07/16/2002 2:34:31 PM PDT by Ajnin
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To: Ajnin
I know because it doesn't get any press time that you probably think it never happens

I think we'd all like to know just one of these sociopathic shooters has been convicted in criminal court. The reason that it gets no publicity is that it doesn't happen. And I'm not talking about cops who are convicted of burgulary or selling dope purloined from drug dealers. I'm talking about the ones who go around shooting the peasants because they can.

91 posted on 07/17/2002 3:04:48 AM PDT by from occupied ga
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To: Ajnin
I can guarantee that if I get shot at, I will kill the shooter even if he or she is cowardly enough to do it among innocent bystanders

Might as well, I assume by your reply that you are a LEO which means with the badge comes a liscense to kill. Waste 'em, waste 'em now. Do it for the children. God Bless America. I'm sure the kids you cooked @ Waco, the madonna you wasted @ Ruby Ridge, the kid whose face you blew off in Baltimore, the guy you wasted while off duty in Roanoke, VA at closing time confrontation over a barroom Betty, the immigrant you raped with a mop handle in NYC, and all the rest too numerous to mention understand that what your actions are for the good of the country. Seig Heil, & Achtung to you, Commissar.

92 posted on 07/17/2002 5:20:22 AM PDT by putupon
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To: putupon
Might as well, I assume by your reply that you are a LEO which means with the badge comes a liscense to kill. Waste 'em, waste 'em now. Do it for the children. God Bless America. I'm sure the kids you cooked @ Waco, the madonna you wasted @ Ruby Ridge, the kid whose face you blew off in Baltimore, the guy you wasted while off duty in Roanoke, VA at closing time confrontation over a barroom Betty, the immigrant you raped with a mop handle in NYC, and all the rest too numerous to mention understand that what your actions are for the good of the country. Seig Heil, & Achtung to you, Commissar.

Your comments are little emotional don't you think? I wasn't even a law enforcement officer when most of those things took place. I think I would be entirely justified in shootng somebody that is trying to kill me. Perhaps you don't see it that way.

93 posted on 07/17/2002 11:53:58 AM PDT by Ajnin
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To: from occupied ga
Well, unfortunately I can't come up with any instances where an officer has been held criminally liable for negligently shooting an innocent bystander, not even anecdotally. I wasn't commenting on this type action by itself. I think there is whole lot more corruption in law enforcement that creates the type attitude that allows people like the above FEEBEE to get away with the type of negligence that he displayed.
94 posted on 07/17/2002 12:36:37 PM PDT by Ajnin
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To: Ajnin
. I think I would be entirely justified in shootng somebody that is trying to kill me.

you said you would shoot into a crowd of innocents in order to nail the bad guy. seems to me a cop with a modest amount of humanity would retreat and call for the swat team with a sniper, at least thats the way they do hostage situations on TV. BTW, did I ever tell you about the a-hole LEO (a-hole all his life prior to becoming a LEO)that I knew? Got drunk one day while off duty, saw a jerk tow truck driver he had trouble with in past, shot at tow truck driver, missed, killed his 16 year old helper. LEO was married to another LEO. LEO gets convicted, goes to jail. later ex LEO and Mrs. LEO (shes on duty, cop car parked next to prison wagon) caught giving the shock absorbers in the prison wagon a workout. Mrs LEO goes is reprimanded, put on desk duty for a little while, then backout on the streets protecting the citizens from people of poor character. Even when LEO is so dead wrong he gets convicted, he still gets privalages the average low life doesn't. Everyone has to pay consequences if they break the law except for LEO, he always gets a pass. Kind of like a Clinton or a Kennedy when you think about it.

95 posted on 07/17/2002 1:20:31 PM PDT by putupon
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To: putupon
you said you would shoot into a crowd of innocents in order to nail the bad guy

Perhaps I was not clear enough. Given no other alternative, meaning, get shot or shoot the perpetrator, I would shoot the perpetrator. I will not miss. I'm not your average LEO that thinks they can will the bullet to the target. I train constantly. I've been in enough shoot/no shoot situations to reasonably know how I would react and what use of force is necessary.

96 posted on 07/17/2002 1:43:24 PM PDT by Ajnin
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To: putupon
Blasting innocent bystanders is unacceptable. It's not something I would want to live with. Therefore I endeavor to ensure that it never occurs through my own actions. I don't know how to make this any clearer. If you want to believe that all LEO's can't wait to blow somebody away that's fine.
97 posted on 07/17/2002 2:15:34 PM PDT by Ajnin
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To: Ajnin
If you want to believe that all LEO's can't wait to blow somebody away that's fine.

no, i realize that its a small minority of LEO's that have an itchy trigger finger. its LEO getting away with it that infuriates me.

98 posted on 07/18/2002 5:18:51 AM PDT by putupon
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To: putupon; Ajnin
The biggest problem is not the obvious presence of a few sociopaths like Braga and Hourouchi, it's the government's complicity in protecting them. No organizion is perfect, human nature being what it is, but when a rotten apple is protected from the consequences of his actions by the very government that is supposed to protect the citizens - particularly when innocents are maimed and killed then this becomes particularly reprehensible. And if the old f..ts of my generation decide to declare war on the police it won't be a handgun where you have a chance to defend yourself, it will be a scoped rifle from 200 + yards, it will be an improvised command detonated munition, or an improvised mine in the favorite speed trap spot, it will be an ambush on a fake report or something equally nasty, so lets all hope that the government punishes these a$$holes before the next McVeigh is motivated.
99 posted on 07/18/2002 6:39:24 AM PDT by from occupied ga
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100 posted on 07/19/2002 6:12:11 PM PDT by Fixit
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