Buchanan's surefire flop. Home Bound

The New Republic ^ | July 11, 2002 | Franklin Foer

[junta]

Good evening to you and a recommendation to go and read "Albions Seed." By reading Fischer's work you will get a better understanding of the "shining city on a hill" idea and from where and whom it came from, and it certainly does not mesh with your neo-con Machivellian snugglefest with the Left's "diversity" farce. The "shining city" shtick is as worn as the "all men are created equal" shtick and to try and pass it off to anybody but bumpkins is vain overreach to the point of farce.

[MadelineZapeezda]

We stabbed Western Civilization in the back by siding with Muslim terrorists over Christian Serbs. Some payback the Serbs received for "guarding the gates" of the West for centuries against the Islamic hordes.

Very eloquent and well put, Phillip. Thank you.

[cascademountaineer]

Article was interesting in the sense the author did a good job of illustrating all the things he didnt like about Buchannon. Or Raimondo. Or Republicans. Or Conservatives. Or Libertarians.

But, just as Ann Landers isnt a good substitute for a self help coach. Neither do opinion pieces make for comprehensive analysis.

Gotta hand it to those Neo-Cons though. They sure learned how to put on a business suit, after marching through the streets demanding the destruction society and western civilization.

Socialism! Interventionism! Big Business! Oh my...

Throw in a healthy dose of nationalism that gives them such a strong foreign policy bent and you've got...lets see if I can peg this in under 50 words.

socialists, with a strong tinge of nationalism (gotta love that foreign intervention), who love big business...Hmmm.

Come to think of it, upon reflection. Neo-Cons sound a little like the olde time left oriented wing of Fas...ah...nevermind.

I'm not here to convince you of anything though. Have a good evening.

[Southern Federalist]

We are the closest thing yet in the history of this planet to a shinning city on a hill, but not yet alas co-extensive with it.

On the other hand, this is Buchanan's view of America as expressed in his latest book:

"We are two countries, two peoples. An older America is passing away, and a new America is coming into its own. The new Americans who grew up in the 1960s and the years since did not like the old America. They thought it a bigoted, reactionary, repressive, stodgy country. So they kicked the dust from their heels and set out to build a new America, and they have succeeded. To its acolytes the cultural revolution has been a glorious revolution. But to millions, they have replaced the good country we grew up in with a cultural wasteland and a moral sewer that are not worth living in and not worth fighting for--their country, not ours" (p. 6).

My view is that the difference between Paleos and those they call Neo-Cons (that is, 99% of people who call themselves conservatives) is that Neo-Cons love the America that actually exists, while acknowledging its faults; while Paleos love only the ideal America in their minds, and hate the real America -- this "sewer" which is "not worth fighting for."

[nopardons]

Okay, now let's try on Keyes' none payment of bills; shall we,his insufferable ego,the T.V, show tantrum ( which also made long standing Keyes supporters not only wince, but decide that he was NOT whom they had thought he was and turned them into Keyes " no way Jose " / when hell freezes over rejectors of Alan ! ), and Keyes' own, VERY bad reaction ( I'll take my ball and just go home ... even though my ratings tanked ... " I'm a " victim " again " response ) to being shifted to a late afternoon time slot.

I DO ; however, thank YOU, a very great deal, for at least admitting to the easily proven factoid, of Alan's brazen / Sharptonesque playing of the race card, when most of his supporters deny , here, that it ever happened. Actually, he pulled this TWICE, that I know of; neither time, BTW, was it true nor a usful ploy.

[denydenydeny]

the difference between Paleos and those they call Neo-Cons (that is, 99% of people who call themselves conservatives) is that Neo-Cons love the America that actually exists, while acknowledging its faults; while Paleos love only the ideal America in their minds, and hate the real America -- this "sewer" which is "not worth fighting for."

Nice analysis.

[denydenydeny]

Thanks for staying around amid the frenzied paleos. There are a lot of people on this thread who can't handle the implications of

Sam Francis says he has already privately advised the new magazine "to forget about the social issues" that divide them from their anti-globalization comrades on the left.

[quidnunc]

,|¼,¡?e is going to be a bona fide kook magnet.

It's going to be droll watching some of the people here on the forum singing hosannas to it as though it were holy writ.

The letters to the editor alone will be worth the price of the magazine.

[Torie]

Ya I was surprised that no white knight rode to the defense of old Sam. Maybe they are all banned or something. :)

[quidnunc]

What the devil happened to my post # 108?

The first line was supposed to read "This magazine is going to be a bona fide kook magnet."

I previewed it and that's how it read, but something got scrambled during posting.

[sonofron]

"But to millions, they have replaced the good country we grew up in with a cultural wasteland and a moral sewer that are not worth living in and not worth fighting for--their country, not ours" (p. 6)."

i believe ol Pat was just trying to motivate us. I don't believe for a sec that Pat wants to abandon this country.

[Torie]

It is that evil force again. Actually I am quite proud of this thread (so far, knock on wood), and congratulate all who have participated, even those who think I am something other than perfectly right about everything. Thanks a bunch.

[quidnunc]

Torie wrote: It is that evil force again.

More likely you and I hit the "Post" button simultaneously and something glitched.

[nopardons]

Walter Williams, Thomas Sowell, Clarence Thomas ( even with the " electronic lynching " remark ! ), Ken Hamlin,J.C. Watts, Condi Rice, Niger Innis, and litterally hundreds ( if not thousands )of other prominant blacks ( especially Conservative blacks ! ) have not and do NOT pull the race card and " victimhood " garbage. Keyes has. I used to be a Keyes fan; no more, and I know quite a few others, who share this sentiment, due to his behavior. He's , now , just the flip side of the coin of the Dem Jackson / Sharpton contingent of arrogant, egomanical, self serving, black preacher carricature. It IS the message, as well as the messenger.

Oh gee .. Pat ? You really are enamoured of people who you " think " sounbd good. You would have been crazy about Stevenson; he too won over the crowds with his oratory skills. The thing is, once read, his speeches revealed themselves to be nothing but twaddle and codswallop. BTW, even Pat didn't bvelieve 1/2 of what he said. He admitted, on T.V., that he was just throwing out " red meat " to his " true believers ", but didn't mean much of what he said.

[nopardons]

Even somewhat garbbled, your post made more sense than many, here. : - )

[sixmil]

I voted for Keyes last time (2000); I hope he doesn't turn into an embarassment like PJB. Good Grief!!!

I guess you will be sad to learn that Keyes said during the last campaign that he and Buchanan are in agreement on most issues.

[Texasforever]

The first Neo-Con president was Ronald Reagan at least by the favored definition of those that call themselves Paleo-cons. However, I don't think the Gipper was Jewish.

[sixmil]

Yay, another guilt-by-association anti-Buchanan article. How can The New Republic feel so threatened by such an insignificant player that it must denouce his new magazine a failure before it even hits the racks? Sure smells funny.