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Fox Pulse: Terrorists being smuggled in from Mexico
Fox News via American Patrol Report ^ | July 11, 2002 | Geraldo Rivera

Posted on 07/12/2002 1:06:26 PM PDT by spycatcher

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To: KansasGirl; Arthur McGowan
If we get hit with a large attack by terrorists streaming into the country from Mexico since 9-11, I wouldn't be able to argue with Bush as the commander-in-chief being personally liable for gross negligence. Even though Congress could try to order the border secured by feds, Bush is the only one who can really secure it by ordering the military to do so.

It may be that that the Dems aren't making the border an issue either so they can pounce on him after the next attack. As an obvious forseeable risk since 9-11, a mass homicide due to the failure to even attempt to secure our borders (the FBI would never admit that though) would be very bad. Bush's sensitivity to Mexico is political, whereas his responsibility to all Americans is now military. Why do we need to sustain another attack to learn?
21 posted on 07/12/2002 2:00:35 PM PDT by spycatcher
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To: KansasGirl
"This may come back to bite Bush in the *ss."

It has likely already cost him my vote.

22 posted on 07/12/2002 2:03:12 PM PDT by blam
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To: TomGuy
That 99.9% Hispanic figure is probably completely bogus now that we've attempted to close down other immigration avenues and are watching visitors on student Visas and all flights more closely. The sheer volume also makes Mexico more attractive than Canada, along with the closer similarity in appearance between Hispanics and Arabs.

I would suspect that almost all serious terrorists are now looking to use the Mexico route. The 10% figure is only one agent's experience and may be high. So I would guess 5% is probably the truth if I had to bet on it. Five out of every 100 is not that much, but it means 25,000 Arabs since 9-11.
23 posted on 07/12/2002 2:32:23 PM PDT by spycatcher
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To: Tancredo Fan
bttt
24 posted on 07/12/2002 3:56:45 PM PDT by Travis McGee
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To: Tancredo Fan
Thanks for the ping, bro. I, too, watched the show, and was struck that no mention was made of the numerous tunnels that have been found for at least the last 20 years or so. All in all, though, I thought it was a pretty good segment, especially if Joe and Jane Six-pack saw it and realized "I be dadgummed, we ain't safe here!" Whorealdo's producers did a good job, though I'd rather not have had to look at him.

Scouts Out! Cavalry Ho!

25 posted on 07/12/2002 4:16:14 PM PDT by wku man
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To: spycatcher
Would this be the same Fox News that reported that Al Qaeda was somehow behind the Worldcom fiasco?

Fox News isn't a real News Channel - they just play one on TV.

26 posted on 07/12/2002 4:16:26 PM PDT by Abandon All Hope
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To: Arthur McGowan
When 500,000 aliens crossed into another country they used to call it things like "invasion" or even "blitzkrieg."

"Blitzkrieg" refers to the German WWII combined-arms doctrine. Didn't know the "invaders" were equipped with tanks and tactical aircraft.

We are not only at war,

No, we are not. Only Congress can declare war.

we are being invaded,

More nonsense.

and government policy prohibits talking about it.

We're talking about it, right now.

27 posted on 07/12/2002 4:23:12 PM PDT by Abandon All Hope
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To: spycatcher
"Iraqi reportedly smuggled hundreds from Middle East across Mexican border"

Golly! Surprise, surprise!

28 posted on 07/12/2002 4:25:11 PM PDT by StormEye
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To: Abandon All Hope
You might want to post a link to that story you're alluding to. I doubt they reported Al Qaeda was behind WorldCom's financial statement errors
29 posted on 07/12/2002 4:28:47 PM PDT by spycatcher
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To: Abandon All Hope
Congress need not declare war for the US to be at war in case you've been sleeping for the last 50 years.
30 posted on 07/12/2002 4:30:37 PM PDT by spycatcher
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To: spycatcher
In a July 2 dispatch out of Washington, FoxNews highlighted an "unexpected twist" in the WorldCom saga: a United Press International report, citing emails decoded by the National Security Agency, that al Qaeda claimed its "Operation WorldCon" had demolished WorldCom and "had seriously crippled the entire American military machine that is heavily dependent on the telecom giant."

Furthermore, reported FoxNews, UPI was saying that al Qaeda "sleeper cells" had managed to wreak havoc via financial scandals at other recent corporate casualties, including Enron, Arthur Andersen, and Global Crossing .

It turns out that the UPI article was actually a commentary by editor-at-large Arnaud de Borchgrave, one that later ran in The Washington Times. After de Borchgrave tells his fantastical story, he confesses that this scenario is "a flight of fancy."

In other words, it appears that someone at Fox News didn't realize that de Borchgrave's scoop was a joke. Didn't read all the way through the UPI bulletin. Didn't figure out how de Borchgrave was making some point about corporate executives being as destructive as violent terrorists. Didn't stop to wonder out why al Qaeda members in the Tora Bora caves would care about Adelphia, or why they ever would have heard of it.

The article was quietely removed from the FoxNews website.

31 posted on 07/12/2002 4:40:31 PM PDT by Abandon All Hope
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To: spycatcher
Normally, I regard Michael Kinsely as a pencil-necked geek; however, even a blind squirrel manages to find an acorn now and again:

"The eerie non-debate we're having as vast preparations for battle are made before our eyes is a consequence of a long-running constitutional scandal: the withering away of the requirement of a congressional declaration of war. Oh, the words are still there, of course, but presidents of both parties flagrantly ignore them -- sometimes with fancy arguments that are remarkably unpersuasive, but mainly by now with shrugging indifference. The result is not just a power shift between the branches of government but a general smothering of debate about, or even interest in, the decision to go to war among citizens in general."

"It's often said that modern warfare has no place for an 18th century conceit like the declaration of war. (This is said, in fact, by people who usually insist that the original intent of the Constitution's Framers requires no concessions to modernity.)"

The second paragraph pegs you rather well.

32 posted on 07/12/2002 4:47:14 PM PDT by Abandon All Hope
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To: Satadru
We should give them amnesty, citizenship, welfare dollars, health care, education, and a place setting at the White House dinner table. Maybe then they will stop bombing our national landmarks,

We should surround our national landmarks and send 1,000,000 marchers across the DC border to march on the capital to demand that our miliatry do what it's meant to do -- protect our borders.

We need a show of solidarity. Those folks in Washington don't give a tinker's damn what we think!

33 posted on 07/12/2002 4:55:44 PM PDT by a merkin
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To: Abandon All Hope
Fox wasn't the only one fooled by UPI with that commentary
In the comments... "I got this as a 'Breaking news exclusive' direct from a senior UPI editor, so even his own organization didn't realize quite what he was doing."

As far as declaring war, you mistake your idealism for reality. The reality is, war isn't declared anymore even in a state of war. So your original point is moot.

34 posted on 07/12/2002 5:09:02 PM PDT by spycatcher
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To: Marine Inspector
PING.
35 posted on 07/12/2002 6:08:32 PM PDT by sarasmom
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To: Satadru
Maybe then they will stop bombing our national landmarks, and vote for Bush.

Well, let's don't push the landmark thingy too hard. If they vote for W, that's enough for now. We'll work on the violence abatement later or blame it on the dems. Whaddaya say?

36 posted on 07/12/2002 6:32:14 PM PDT by Twodees
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To: Abandon All Hope
we are being invaded,

More nonsense.

Come to California and look around, you might not think it's nonsense anymore.

38 posted on 07/12/2002 9:12:54 PM PDT by janetgreen
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To: sarcasm; Tancredo Fan; sarasmom; spycatcher; TomGuy; PsyOp
Sarcasm, Tancredo Fan and Sarasmon. Thanks for the pings.

I watched the show also, and was very impressed with it.

It's estimated that 500,000 of unknown national origin have crossed over the border with Mexico since 9-11-01.

If you look at my profile page, which, most of you have, you can see that the 500,000 thousand number is a very low estimate. We are pushing at least 1.5 million since 9/11.

And from the following article some agents estimate 10% are now from he Middle East.

Personally, I think 10% is high and would put it closer to 5% or even a little less. At any point it makes no difference, 5% of 1.5 million is 75,000, which is almost unbelievable.

Tancredo Fan (post#11), while the parts of the Mexican military are corrupt, they are pushing drugs not people across the border. Drugs are more profitable and can’t report you. I have never heard of any reports of the Military running wets across the border. These Mexican anti terrorist military groups are probably legit, and enjoy their job of tracking down the bad guys. Not everyone in Mexico is corrupt.

Some 99.9 percent of the 1.64 million undocumented immigrants detained at the southwest border last year were from Mexico and 16 other Latin countries.

TomGuy (post #16), I would say these number are also off. In FY 2001 the Border Patrol only apprehended 1.23 million illegals along the US/Mexico border. The 1.64 million were apprehended in FY 2000. In FY 2000, some 99.9% were probably from Mexico and 16 other Latin countries. But in FY 2001, I would bet that has dropped at least half a percent if not more.

39 posted on 07/12/2002 9:28:26 PM PDT by Marine Inspector
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To: spycatcher
THIS must be stopped!!
40 posted on 07/12/2002 9:30:05 PM PDT by timestax
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