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Expert: Body dumped after defendant fell under suspicion (SO WHO DUMPED DANIELLE VAN DAM'S BODY??)
Union Trib ^ | July 11, 2002 | Steve Perez/Greg Magnus

Posted on 07/11/2002 6:47:45 AM PDT by FresnoDA

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To: Southflanknorthpawsis; UCANSEE2
I have not had the opportunity to follow this trial gavel to gavel, but when I have the opportunity, I try to scroll through these threads and catch up. There are some things that are extremely troubling that I feel should be obvious to any reasonable thinking person.

It would seem to me that living two or three houses down from someone, the wind alone would transfer fibers. I am sure that every time I walk outside, I get fibers from my neighbors, and they get mine. Fibers, hair, what have you.

Further, neighborhood children play in, around, on top of, underneath anything and every thing they can. They are, by nature, curious little creatures and if they thought they could get into a motor home parked on the street and play around a little - well what an adventure that would be!

With the life style the van Dams lead, why would any one just assume that this child was kidnapped and murdered simply on the whim of Westerfield THAT night - evidently the first night he'd actually interacted with them in any meaningful fashion? With this life style, they would have had strangers running in and out of their house all the time. It could have been someone from as long ago as 6 months prior who had partied with them. There is no evidence that Westerfield was ever in their house, correct? Perhaps the little girl wandered outside and some previous 'party attendee' grabbed her. Maybe someone who had wanted to be included in the party that night, but wasn't and was angry about it.

Brenda van Dam wore an orange sweater to court one day this week. Every one sitting around her and walking behind her probably now has orange fibers on their clothing.

These are just a couple of thoughts. So many things about this trial trouble me.

It just seems to me that too many people assume that simply because a person is arrested they are, therefore, guilty. God forbid that we have to prove our innocence in courts. It is the prosecution's job to prove guilt. In my opinion, this prosecution has definitely not proven guilt.

341 posted on 07/11/2002 1:01:06 PM PDT by Isadora Duncan
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To: pyx
I have been called uneducated and ignorant too..says more about them than us
342 posted on 07/11/2002 1:06:53 PM PDT by RnMomof7
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To: winstonchurchill
This is Feldman on cross exam with BVD:

1 Q. DO YOU RECALL AT SOME POINT IN TIME, AT LEAST

2 UNDERSTANDING THAT THERE HAD BEEN SOME FORM OF EITHER PHONE

3 TRAP, PHONE TRACE OR PHONE TAPS ON YOUR TELEPHONES?

4 A. NO.

5 Q. DIRECTING YOUR ATTENTION TO APPROXIMATELY THE 16TH

6 OF FEBRUARY 2002, DO YOU RECALL GETTING A TELEPHONE CALL, A

7 MESSAGE CONCERNING YOUR DAUGHTER?

8 MR. DUSEK: OBJECTION, HEARSAY, BEYOND THE SCOPE, THIRD

9 PARTY.

10 THE COURT: COUNSEL, I'LL HEAR YOU AT SIDEBAR.

We never heard anymore about the phone call but yesterday's testimony indicates Danielle's body was probably placed at the discovery site on or around the same date as this phone call.

343 posted on 07/11/2002 1:07:49 PM PDT by Karson
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To: Illbay
I believe that the little girl was being sexually abused by her dad..she died accidently and because an autopsy would have outed that they had the kidnapping..

I believe he is a sexual pervert ..

344 posted on 07/11/2002 1:09:42 PM PDT by RnMomof7
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To: Isadora Duncan
Very well stated. I think the prosecution has fallen far short of proving much at all.
345 posted on 07/11/2002 1:10:07 PM PDT by Southflanknorthpawsis
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To: Rheo; Jaded; UCANSEE2; John Jamieson
Thanks.

You pose some good hypotheses on what the blue/gray fiber is and how it got there. Do we know know if those fibers are the sort that would be shed from a nylon jacket? Do nylon cop jackets shed?

I wonder if Feldman has an intern who would be willing to answer a few simple questions, here. Include it on your next 3 a.m. chat, would you?

What else has shedding nylon that would travel easily from place to place? (I hate to start thinking that any of this stuff was planted.) What do they say about this on the Refugee board?

Were blue/gray fibers found in the laundry on the 4th?

You are doing a spectacular job on all of this, making up for all of us slackers who wander in and out. Kudos!!!!
346 posted on 07/11/2002 1:10:29 PM PDT by pinz-n-needlez
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To: Karson
Can Feldman call the officer or whomever was responsible for the trap/trace reading to court to testify about that call?
347 posted on 07/11/2002 1:11:12 PM PDT by Rheo
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To: Karson
It is chilling to read that transcript now. Faulkner's timeline and that question by Feldman are eerie. Extremely troubling !!!!!
348 posted on 07/11/2002 1:14:38 PM PDT by Southflanknorthpawsis
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To: pinz-n-needlez; Rheo; Jaded; UCANSEE2; John Jamieson; All
Today and tonight I will make it a project of mine to do a little fiber experimentation. I will gather up some things that I assume to be nylon - and some things I assume to be acrylic and rub them up against myself and a white sheet or something and maybe a car seat...you get the drift - I will report back on my findings.
349 posted on 07/11/2002 1:15:38 PM PDT by mommya
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To: cyncooper
No, I am not suggesting that neighbors would all have the same stray fibers, but I am suggesting that a common source, unrelated to Westerfield is possible. It is possible that the fibers on Danielle and those in Westerfield's house came from the same source, but the only connection to Westerfield may be a case of cross contamination.
350 posted on 07/11/2002 1:18:25 PM PDT by Eva
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To: mommya
Cool!
351 posted on 07/11/2002 1:18:36 PM PDT by pinz-n-needlez
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To: Rheo
While the innocent until proven guilty folks have posted scenerio after scenerio (some bizarre, yes) but the guilty folks won't even tell us how...prosecution wouldn't either.

1. When and how did David Westerfield kidnap Danielle? 2. When and how did David Westerfield murder Danielle? 3. When and how did David Westerfield dispose of Danielle's body?

  That isn't entirely fair. The prosecution has presented theories that are sufficiently specific, and some evidence to back it up. While I side with the people who suspect DAW is innocent, there have been some scenarios posted that reasonably point to Westerfield as the perpetrator. Let me try to answer them, then.

1. Kidnapping - when? Obviously, on the night of Feb 2. The alarm lights and open doors provide windows for someone to access the house. The implication, clearly, is that Westerfield is that person. How? By entering through the doors. As a neighbor, and one who had just recently seen BVD at the bar, he may have known enough about their habits to know they would be otherwise occupied. A risk, certainly, but perhaps manageable.

2. Murder - when? Either immediately or during his trip. There's sufficient time during his trip to commit a murder. How? Uncertain, but most likely suffocation. That was, as I recall, the ME's suggestion. The presence of fibers indicates at least some struggle, and those fibers are (at least tentatively) linked to DAW.

3. Disposal - When? Again, during the trip, as he was under observation afterwards. The bug testimony makes this look less likely, but if you accept only his bit about the 16th being the earliest date, you can still go backwards and get to the 2nd-4th. How? Well, by dumping her there, and getting extremely lucky that no one found her for so long.

  Again, I don't actually agree with these theories, but they're clearly the ones the defense is putting forward, and that I assume most VDAs agree with. Also, I don't follow the trial as much as some people here do (this is my main source of info on it, in fact), so feel free to correct any errors.

Drew Garrett

352 posted on 07/11/2002 1:18:37 PM PDT by agarrett
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To: Rheo
Feldman could call him but would Mudd let him testify? Remember the officer that took Keith Stone's statement was "sent packing" without being able to testify. Will we ever know what THAT was about??

I feel like the Feb 16th phone call is very important. I'm sure if there is a way for Feldman to get it in, he will.
353 posted on 07/11/2002 1:18:56 PM PDT by Karson
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To: Rheo
Not once, have any one of the posters who feel him guilty from the start, responded to the questions.

That's not entirely accurate.
There is one poster who did respond. I won't mention this posters name --out of regard for her recently-departed theories: "Two drives" and "Plastic mattress cover".

She's prolly wondering how she got on that side of the fence ...

354 posted on 07/11/2002 1:21:07 PM PDT by dread78645
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To: cyncooper
Did you see my prior posts regarding the microspectrophotometer? Do you accept anything less than this test?
355 posted on 07/11/2002 1:21:31 PM PDT by mommya
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To: dread78645
I won't mention this posters name --

You mean the one who said (early on this thread) she was fixing to go out and plant something? ;-)

356 posted on 07/11/2002 1:26:17 PM PDT by Karson
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To: agarrett
Good summation for the other side.
357 posted on 07/11/2002 1:27:22 PM PDT by mommya
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To: Isadora Duncan
So many things about this trial trouble me.

And trouble us all.

It is called MOB PSYCHOLOGY.

When Danielle disappeared, it caught the attention of the nation. WHY? Because it was an attractive blonde-haired blue-eyed white girl with parents that had a decent amount of money.

THe news jumped on it because it would sell newspapers, TV news, (I.e. Advertising money).

The local DA jumped on it because he is in a bid to win RE-election and he needed something BIG to get the voters to pick him. The opportunity was there (the girl was gone). The Van Dam's had hired a PR team right away and had taken over the Laura Recovery Center , put their own people in it (including their retired LEO friend Diane Halfman), and renamed it the Danielle Recovery Center.

SO the DA needed a PERP that he could charge, arrest, and CONVICT. The police were directed by the mother to a likely PERP , and from then on seemed to lose interest in other suspects, and concentrate on DW. Then they concentrated on FINDING PROOF (whether it was really there or not) that he did it.

The News media helped out by exxagerrating and outright LYING about events/times/statements and plastering them all over the MAGS/NEWSPAPERS/TV.

They got practically every MOTHER to swallow every word about DW because he had some PORN. Take a MOM with children, mention a MAN with PORN and the MOM will ACT LIKE a MOTHERBEAR protecting her CUBS. CLAW AWAY and KILL HIM.

It is an understandable EMOTION.

However, it has nothing to do with this.

BUT the DA, the MEDIA want it to have everthing to do with THIS CASE, because the EMOTION will SELL,SELL,SELL. The TRUTH won't.

358 posted on 07/11/2002 1:28:40 PM PDT by UCANSEE2
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To: Karson; FresnoDA; MizSterious; spectre; Southflanknorthpawsis; UCANSEE2
(Aadams Family Theme)

He's sleazy and she's hinky
In black fishnets he's slinky
They're all together kinky
The VD family

They're not quite what they se-em
They're living in a dre-am
The girls all come to see 'em
The VD family

Sweet
Neat
Petite



It's still a work in progress
359 posted on 07/11/2002 1:30:23 PM PDT by Jaded
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To: Isadora Duncan
Further, neighborhood children play in, around, on top of, underneath anything and every thing they can. They are, by nature, curious little creatures and if they thought they could get into a motor home parked on the street and play around a little - well what an adventure that would be!

I totally agree with this. A few threads back I even posted how my son had gone to play in a neighborhood kid's neighbor's MH, thus relating how it was possible. The poster who responded in the negative to me was, yes it possible, but it is not probable. It just seems to me that too many people assume that simply because a person is arrested they are, therefore, guilty.

When they were doing jury selection, many potential jurors were excused because they felt DW WAS guilty because he had been arrested.

360 posted on 07/11/2002 1:31:00 PM PDT by Mrs.Liberty
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