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Elizabeth Smart Kidnapping - Daily News/Chat Thread - Day 37
07/11/02 - Thursday - Day 37 | Elizabeth Smart Kidnapping - Daily News/Chat Thread - Day 37

Posted on 07/10/2002 10:01:56 PM PDT by stlnative

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To: brigette
Everyone is suspect and the end result might be a real shocker.
181 posted on 07/11/2002 9:36:38 PM PDT by Bella
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To: brigette
Can anyone pinpoint the bank robbery date and the name of the bank that was robbed that Ricci may be faces federal charges on?

Offhand all I know is it was the bank robbery Remington is on trial for. They said when they interviewed Remington he told police Ricci was part of his group. Ricci was working for Remington in his house repair business at this time as well and I think Remington's other employee was also in the bank robbery. The robbery would have been sometime November 2001 or prior.

182 posted on 07/11/2002 9:45:01 PM PDT by Sherlock
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To: Sherlock
Assuming he is innocent (no proof that he isn't,right?)why would he want to change? Again, JMO but he seems to be the family "get out of our face", protector.
183 posted on 07/11/2002 9:51:24 PM PDT by CindyDawg
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To: Bella
Everyone is suspect and the end result might be a real shocker"

have you any thing more to add about the neighbor....

184 posted on 07/11/2002 9:52:49 PM PDT by cherry
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To: CindyDawg
he seems to be the family "get out of our face", protector.

I see what you're saying. People just joke about Uncle Tom because he disappeared even from the family gatherings, like when LK did his show from one of their houses. My point is it seems like he needs to rehabilitate his image with his family, it seems to me like they dumped him somewhere along the line in this case because he was too much of a liability.

185 posted on 07/11/2002 10:02:37 PM PDT by Sherlock
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To: Bella
Are you suggesting they did not have her alone with the forensic psychologists who interviewed her? I haven't heard anything to that effect, and I think it would be very unusual not to have the interview subject alone. And it is my understanding that keeping her free of parental influence was one of the reasons she stayed at a grandparent's home for a week or more following the abduction.
186 posted on 07/11/2002 10:04:59 PM PDT by GovernmentShrinker
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To: Sherlock
I've thought identically to what you're saying. However the story that MK was going to see her parents and saw the kidnapper and Elizabeth was not part of the original story, just like the English golf cap was not part of the original story, so I don't implicitly believe it.

We've hashed that out on FR ad nauseum. The media didn't get the story out correctly in the beginning either by their own incompetance or in the rush to get the Amber/Rachel alert out, mistakes were made. The cops later said they didn't feel compelled to correct it. Either way, I don't think it is significant. The cops knew about the cap from the first moments. They just didn't release it. That would be exactly the kind of thing that the cops would hold back because the perp wouldn't know that they knew about it.

I think if they were still in the house the most probable reason to me would be because Elizabeth and the kidnapper knew one another and they were discussing why he was taking her.

I disagree. Whether Liz new the perp or not, he wouldn't want to stand around debating. Something that has never been mentioned, is duct tape. Let's say you and I were planning to kidnap someone. You could bet that one of us would have thought of duct tape to tape their mouth shut. The last thing we would want would be someone screaming. If I was a media puke for a day, that would be the question I would ask: "Was Elizabeth gagged, muzzled or tied in any way?"

187 posted on 07/11/2002 10:06:33 PM PDT by Jolly Green
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To: GovernmentShrinker
I have read/heard in several places (can't recall where) that Mrs. Smart is present when MK is interviewed.
188 posted on 07/11/2002 10:07:22 PM PDT by cookiedough
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Elizabeth Smart Kidnapping - Daily News & Case Discussion Thread - Day 38
189 posted on 07/11/2002 10:10:07 PM PDT by stlnative
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To: varina davis
Sort of makes one think it wasn't really a kidnapping.

Unless the perp was a five-time loser that was moving up to kidnapping and thought he could score a little extra. I did say "professional". Ricci isn't even a good burglar, or he wouldn't keep getting caught.

190 posted on 07/11/2002 10:11:11 PM PDT by Jolly Green
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To: Bella
Everyone is suspect and the end result might be a real shocker.

I agree, Bella. Hope those in denial won't be too upset.

191 posted on 07/11/2002 10:16:11 PM PDT by varina davis
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To: Jolly Green
If I was a media puke for a day, that would be the question I would ask: "Was Elizabeth gagged, muzzled or tied in any way?"

Who would you ask? Supposedly the sister didn't get a really GOOD look at anything or anyone. Besides, it would take some time to gag, muzzle and tie. This whole alleged abduction was apparently much too quiet to allow gagging, muzzling and tying up.

192 posted on 07/11/2002 10:21:55 PM PDT by varina davis
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To: Jolly Green
The media didn't get the story out correctly in the beginning

I disagree, I believe LE changed the story so the kidnapper would think the pressure's off and feel more comfortable they weren't on to him. I believe the kidnapper was indeed wearing a white baseball hat, not a tan English golf hat.

I've never seen a case where there is so much obsfucation of the facts by LE. You'll hear one member of the media say LE says something is important and the next media person will say LE told them definitely the same thing is not significant.

193 posted on 07/11/2002 10:29:06 PM PDT by Sherlock
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To: Jolly Green
duct tape

The kidnapper of the 14 year old from the trampoline in Idaho at the same time as Elizabeth's kidnapping didn't use duct tape.

194 posted on 07/11/2002 10:32:03 PM PDT by Sherlock
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To: cherry; All
I'm watching the rerun of H&C..Since Tom Smart & his wife said they want the return of Elizabeth, Alan brought up Mark Klaas & Tom said he doesn't want him,etc, that they're satisfied w/ the way the cops are handling this case, blah, blah...If I was in their position, I'd certainly want anyone who offers their services to help w/ finding my child, the quicker, the better..What's Tom's problem? Also, the questions of the lie detector test was mentioned..Something is strange w/ this case..
195 posted on 07/11/2002 11:12:52 PM PDT by Bella
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To: Sherlock
I believe the kidnapper was indeed wearing a white baseball hat, not a tan English golf hat.

And you would be mistaken.

I've never seen a case where there is so much obsfucation of the facts by LE. You'll hear one member of the media say LE says something is important and the next media person will say LE told them definitely the same thing is not significant.

And you are blaming the cops for the media getting it wrong? They always get it wrong. We know that cops deal with all kinds of details, some which have to be withheld. Most can't be explained in a soundbite. Take this thread on FR today. There are twenty different slants on the very same press conference that we all saw at the same time. The very same thing happened yesterday when Ed Smart discussed the letter. What makes you think the media are immune to this phenomenon?

196 posted on 07/11/2002 11:27:52 PM PDT by Jolly Green
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To: Sherlock
The kidnapper of the 14 year old from the trampoline in Idaho at the same time as Elizabeth's kidnapping didn't use duct tape.

And he's in the slammer. He must have made a few mis-calculations along the way.

197 posted on 07/11/2002 11:32:40 PM PDT by Jolly Green
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To: GovernmentShrinker
Are you suggesting they did not have her alone with the forensic psychologists who interviewed her? I haven't heard anything to that effect, and I think it would be very unusual not to have the interview subject alone. And it is my understanding that keeping her free of parental influence was one of the reasons she stayed at a grandparent's home for a week or more following the abduction.

From what I've read, they sent MK to the grandparents after this occurred. I know they've talked w/ her, probably w/ the parents present, & because she's a minor. As you know, kids will say things differently in the presence of parents than alone. Also, they should have talked more frequently with her after they were gathering their evidence, testings, etc.. Wasn't it posted somewhere that the parents didn't discuss this event w/ MK much? It appears the family doesn't want to expose her to more questioning. And, let's face it, with that large of a family who's always around, you know they ARE talking amongst themselves, she's heard many theories, comments, etc...I've seen cases where they've taken child witnesses and put them in protective custody for many reasons, one being so their memory isn't distorted by comments heard, also, the perp knows now that MK can provide a description..

198 posted on 07/11/2002 11:34:04 PM PDT by Bella
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To: varina davis
Besides, it would take some time to gag, muzzle and tie.

It would take about 3 seconds to slap on some duct tape. He couldn't control her arms and mouth at the same time without it.

199 posted on 07/11/2002 11:38:18 PM PDT by Jolly Green
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