Is Law And Order Conservatism Dead? (It Sure Looks Like It)

Several threads here ^ | 7-10-02 | LibBasher

[WyldKard]

Oh please. Criminals kill people, rob them, shoot them, stab them, and assault them, everyday in huge numbers in this country, and you reserve "disgust" for this? A criminal getting slammed on a car hood AFTER cracking a cops head open?

Well, lets examine the situation. What was it that makes this kid a criminal? What exactly did he do, after he was handcuffed, that marked him as deserving of needless and excessive abuse? We do have Constitutional clauses forbidding cruel and unusual punishment. Also, cops are supposed to be "a step above" the criminals. They aren't supposed to dirty their hands by lowering themselves down to the criminals level.

Long story short, unless the situation demands it (I think the Rodney King situation was a good example of this), cops should not be abusing criminals, and they especially shouldn't be beating up retarded kids who appear to be cooperating, once they have been handcuffed.

But like I said, maybe the kid did something really, really heinous, and I don't know about it. Do you know what he was charged with?

Just out of curiosity...are you a cop, or have a cop in the family?

[Silas]

It is worse than that, in my opinion.

There is extreme racial tension that is underneath the surface of this society. The fact that it is not talked about is a sign of how bad it is. Law and order, reason, logic all go out the window when race is involved. We have seen this in the OJ trial.

I could continue this point but I choose not to become depressed about our deterioriating society on such a beautiful summer day. Personally, I am enjoying the good life in California but I understand that 'these are the good old days'. I will be prepared to vacate to somewhere nice like Chile if it ever all comes down.

[steve-b]

Is Law And Order Conservatism Dead?

If a cop breaks the law, send him to prison. You can't get any more "Law And Order" than that.

[Britton J Wingfield]

I like cops. Many of my fellow reservists are LEOs, and I believe they do a great job.

That said, I saw the tape and was appalled. Since I am all for law and order, I think the cop who slugged a cuffed suspect in the head should be arrested for assault and battery. The kid was not only cuffed, he was securely pinned down on the hood. Punching him was nothing but a malicious cheap shot.

[Dales]

Yes. I "bash" that specific cop.

I believe that a cop does not have the right to punch someone after said person is handcuffed and is in a prone position. I do not think a cop has a right to slam a subdued individual into the hood of a car.

You see, the courts decide if there was guilt or not. THEN if guilt has been proven can punishment be administered in accordance with the law.

What you seem to be sanctioning is cops being the law unto themselves. That is the rule of cop and not the rule of law.

I prefer law and order to cop and order. You seem to think the latter is fine and dandy.

It is attitudes such as your own that enable the Jesse Jacksons of the world. The next time you see him fanning the flames of racial discord in Cincinnati or some other city, be happy for your tolerance of the intolerable is the fertilizer which his poison plant grows from.

[WyldKard]

Hmmmm..LibBasher...member since....well..today. 7-10-2002.

Curious that....

[NC_Libertarian]

The law enforcers are crooks and they're out of control. I hope the cop who hit the handcuffed kid gets some time for that.

We need more people video tapeing the thugs to get them under control.

[NC_Libertarian]

Cops should in fact get double the sentence that a civilian would get. As law enforcers they should be kept to a higher standard.

But it's the opposite, they consistantly get away with murder - like in the Rampart scandal - where they killed, maimed, tortured, dealt drugs, framed people, etc - the central figure got one year in prison for all those crimes, most others didn't even get nearly as much.

Then the FBI agent who shot the kid in the face got away with that, and the California cop who shot the 11 year old kid who was laying prone on the ground in the back fot away with that as well.

[alpowolf]

We have delegated to the police the power to use force. Therefore we are duty-bound to hold the police to a high standard in the use of that power. If you believe so strongly in the law, why don't you believe that government people have to obey it?

[Khepera]

We have many liberals on this board because unlike DU who bans all Conservative speech we don't ban them for being liberal.

[LibBasher]

Just because the guy is retarded and black doesn't mean he should immediately be seen as innocent, but the same goes for the cops...

I'm not so sure he was truly retarded. The media words were "emotionally retarded" which sounds like PC white wash for bad actor. But then again I could be wrong. Either way I see no reason to expect the police to give IQ tests to those they are attacked by.

just because they are cops doesn't mean their actions are immediately beyond reproach.

That's true. But the consverse is also true, just because they are cops doesn't mean they're white racists trying to find innocent blacks to beat up. (I'm not saying you've said this but I can assure you there are those who have)

Bottom line-Perhaps there will be more facts that will come out and they may help either side. But IMO from what it looks like, this is a cop that got attacked and hit in the head so hard that it cut it open. He got p.o. ed, and took it out on the guy that did it to him, which most people would. It was wrong, yes, but in the grand schene of things, not very. The punishement should fit the crime--mild. Perhaps a coupole weeks without pay and the warning that if it happens again he'll lose his job.

[Grut]

Sigh. LibBasher is new today, probably just over from DU to pimp the spittle-flingers into drowning their keyboards.

Apparently with some success. Why do some Freepers have trouble with the idea that 'rule of law' means the cops have to obey the law, too?

[LibBasher]

alpowolf "If you believe so strongly in the law, why don't you believe that government people have to obey it?"

I do, as I said here's my take--

Perhaps there will be more facts that will come out and they may help either side. But IMO from what it looks like, this is a cop that got attacked and hit in the head so hard that it cut it open. He got p.o. ed, and took it out on the guy that did it to him, which most people would. It was wrong, yes, but in the grand schene of things, not very. The punishement should fit the crime--mild. Perhaps a couple weeks without pay and the warning that if it happens again he'll lose his job.

[LibBasher]

" ... The cop that slammed that kid on the roof of the car and then punched him should be fired for abuse of power and convicted of felony assault ... " Yep.

Nope. Two weeks unpaid suspension and a warning. that's more than that kid will get you can bet your ___ on that.

[LibBasher]

WHile your at it why don't you show a few cops that gunned down. Yeah that wouldn;t help your "cause" would it now?

and BTW thanks for showing that libertarians are usually anarchists in a thin disguise.

[LibBasher]

no one gets prosecuted, convicted, or goes to prison for hitting someone who attacked them split their head open.

A reprimand is in order, but that's it. and as I said you can bet that'll be more than that "poor victim" (criminal) kid will get