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Study Links Marijuana Use to Schizophrenia
CNSNEWS.com ^ | 7/10/02 | Rick Docksai

Posted on 07/10/2002 2:36:43 AM PDT by kattracks

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To: tacticalogic
I do take exception to "cherry picking" data points in order to advance an agenda. It's a favorite tactic of the liberals, and one we'd do well to avoid, IMHO.

In this case, unfortunately, the agenda and cherry-picking  are the property of Merck.  The original news story on this "study" was done by a writer who admitted to me that he got some of his data from Merck.  He also relied on information in a Merck press release about a licensing agreement on a new class of schizophrenia drugs they are working on that impact cannabinoid receptors.  This study is just another piece of pre-marketing propaganda to help Merck make their case for this new class drugs to treat schizophrenia.

81 posted on 07/11/2002 11:00:22 AM PDT by Al B.
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To: Al B.
In this case, unfortunately, the agenda and cherry-picking are the property of Merck. The original news story on this "study" was done by a writer who admitted to me that he got some of his data from Merck. He also relied on information in a Merck press release about a licensing agreement on a new class of schizophrenia drugs they are working on that impact cannabinoid receptors. This study is just another piece of pre-marketing propaganda to help Merck make their case for this new class drugs to treat schizophrenia.

What you say may very well be true. Without the original data and research methodolgy it's impossible to say. Selective presentation and interpretaion of data seems to be SOP for pharmaceutical companies. Our current system lets them get cozy with the politicians (for the right amount of money) who can exert influence over the bureaucrats that oversee the approval process, and let them get away with it. Still, cherry picking data out of cherry picked data is still cherry picking.

82 posted on 07/11/2002 11:15:06 AM PDT by tacticalogic
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To: tacticalogic
I agree with you re: cherry picking. I was simply making the case that this particular data point is crap. And I have read the study.

Junk is junk.

83 posted on 07/11/2002 11:25:13 AM PDT by Al B.
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To: Al B.
For now, I'm inclined to believe you know what you're talking about.
84 posted on 07/11/2002 11:29:20 AM PDT by tacticalogic
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To: Destructor

Destructor: In your face potheads! What do you say about your "harmless drug" now!?! 35

Zon: Do you believe everything you read? Or just when it supports your agenda. Did you believe Clinton when he said "I didn't inhale"? Did you believe President Clinton when he said " I didn't have sex with that woman, Miss Lewinski"? 53

You're showing characteristics of schizophrenia.*

* schizophrenia: Any of several psychotic disorders characterized by distortions of reality and disturbances of thought and language and withdrawal from social contact 32 -- 63

Destructor: No. Yes. No. No. Screw you! 56

Zon: So your only "yes" answer was that you do believe everything you read when it supports your agenda. That being the case, are you a politician? 57

Destructor: No, I'm not a politician, but truth is on my side! 59

Zon: If truth was on your side you wouldn't find need to lash out in "assault" at as you did in your 56 post. 63

Zon: So, how do you explain your post #53? 67

There's nothing to explain. It's clear.

FYI: Most people do believe anything they read, if it fits into their "agenda." 67

And you know the difference of subjectively fitting something into your agenda and the converse, objectively letting something fall into place, yet you chose to ignore it. Well now, isn't that special -- NOT! It's irrational. If most people jumped in the fire, would you do the jump too?

You potheads are a real good example of that fact.

I don't do drugs, not even caffeine or alcohol. You assume too much. Why?

You potheads are a real good example of that fact. No matter how crazy, outrageous, or illogical a story may be, if it's pro-pot then you're all over it! The difference in us is that I'm honest about my own bias, and you're not. I wonder why? 67

Why do you erroneously assume that I smoke pot? So you could create the above straw man for the sake of kicking the stuffing out of it.

Since we've taken this from a discussion about the issue of drugs to Psycho-analysis I have formed an opinion of you as well. You exhibit all of the signs of a latent homosexual! 67

You really are a hoot! Again, you're showing characteristics of schizophrenia.*

*schizophrenia: Any of several psychotic disorders characterized by distortions of reality and disturbances of thought and language and withdrawal from social contact



85 posted on 07/11/2002 2:10:21 PM PDT by Zon
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To: Destructor; tacticalogic

Destructor: No, I'm not a politician, but truth is on my side!59

tacticalogic: Truth doesn't take sides, no matter how desperately dogma tries to conscript it.66

Destructor: That is true. However, Justice and the American way are certainly on my side!

ROTFL!!!

Either you're a little kid that got his hands on the dad's computer or you should take your act on the road. That is a hilarious Superman satire.

86 posted on 07/11/2002 2:11:33 PM PDT by Zon
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To: tacticalogic

Our current system lets them get cozy with the politicians (for the right amount of money) who can exert influence over the bureaucrats that oversee the approval process, and let them get away with it.

Stated differently: When the FDA controls the strings they obtained by monopoly-on-force-extortion via income tax they have omitted any competing business from testing the validity of a drug companies claims. In effect the FDA is a self-proclaimed authority designated as such by it's ring-leader congress that empowers both the FDA and IRS.

Also, there's health benefiting and life-saving drugs and food substitutes hindered or kept of the market by the FDA. The net account of benefits versus negative side effects shows they should be available.

87 posted on 07/11/2002 2:12:17 PM PDT by Zon
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To: Zon
ROTFL!!!

Are you making fun of my posts again?

88 posted on 07/11/2002 2:30:25 PM PDT by tacticalogic
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To: Destructor
French Fries are not completely harmless. Not to mention milk shakes.
89 posted on 07/11/2002 2:41:16 PM PDT by jayef
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To: Destructor
Who said anything about abusing drugs? Did you mean to say that using drugs is not part of the "traditional American lifestyle"? If that's what you meant to say, do you really believe it?

Americans (human beings in general) use drugs all the time. We like it. Drugs are fun and they make you feel good. Deal with it!

Drugs I've used (or am planning to use) today:

Caffeine
Aspirin
Chocolate
Nicotine
Cannabis
Alcohol

90 posted on 07/11/2002 2:50:35 PM PDT by jayef
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To: kattracks
Reefer madness!!!!!!!!!!
91 posted on 07/11/2002 2:53:50 PM PDT by ned
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To: tacticalogic
Not at all. They way I see it you just happened upon bringing out humorous value in Destructor. :)
92 posted on 07/11/2002 3:41:03 PM PDT by Zon
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To: Zon
Thank goodness. Sometimes I talk myself into believing everyone is out to get me, but then I remind myself that I'm just being paranoid, except sometimes I forget to listen. We're OK now, though.
93 posted on 07/11/2002 3:56:42 PM PDT by tacticalogic
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To: tacticalogic
ROTFL!!!!

I darn near busted a gut.

Now you are making me laugh. Not at you, with you.

Thanks, I needed that. Still smilin'. I gotta go, Thanks again.

94 posted on 07/11/2002 4:23:01 PM PDT by Zon
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To: jayef
"French Fries are not completely harmless. Not to mention milk shakes."

Somebody has "'th munchies!"

95 posted on 07/12/2002 5:49:35 AM PDT by Destructor
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