A question of faith (China)

CNN Asia ^ | Willy Wo Lap Lam

[maui_hawaii]

Even the US government recognizes that Taiwan is part of China.

And if Taiwan never submits, nor concedes to the CCP, and goes completely independent, this could still remain true.

The CCP is a political group.

China is a place.

They are two different things, not one in the same.

Just because they don't think your way doesnt mean they are stupid.

It has little to with me. They appear stupid to many in the whole wide world. They embarrass themselves.

They eat hook line and sinker the Party's 'one king' theory, and it makes them appear completely stupid. They do not see, nor are they allowed to see the whole picture.

They are arguing the world is flat, when in reality, we know it is round. And hence when they go ballistic about the Taiwan issue, it makes them appear ignorant.

Lets all chant together, "The world is flat!!!!" If we get enough people to say it, that makes it true... (not)

[maui_hawaii]

The CCP motto: "What's power without money? Now that that is settled, we, and only we are in charge."

[maui_hawaii]

Happy to hear from you. Anytime.

FRgards...

[Brian Allen]

<< I bet all 'chinese "students"' will outperform AMERICANS in the history exams. >>

But by then they will have become FReedom-loving AMERICANS.

And later their children will be FRee AMERICA-born AMERICANS! [Although they will look a bit like the FRee Citizens of the FRee Republic of China. [Also sometimes referred to as the FRee Republic of Taiwan]

Until we Americans marry their daughters [Once Chinese ladies get a taste, (Yum!) they all like US Real Men!] and make THEIR children look like all of the rest of US!

Like FRee Citizens of Our Beloved FRaternal Republic!

Get it, Little one?

[AIG]

Better the CCP be in power while the general populace grows progressively richer than for China to adopt democracy and have gridlock which would needlessly delay progress for the general population. You've got to put your primary focus on what's good for the general population in the end, regardless of the politics. There's two generations of Indians in democratic India who needlessly wallowed in poverty while the opposing democratically-elected parties bickered, engaged in gridlock, and ignored economic reforms and people's needs. You've got to think about the effect on the people only.

[maui_hawaii]

These guys don't get it. The point of my above comment was to say that the Chinese need to take some lessons on their own history. They are into what the CCP says, but thats not real history.

The CCP teaches things more along the lines of 'nationalistic propaganda to support themselves' far more than 'history'.

A would like to see the overall end product of a Chinese that is allowed to escape the Party programming of people and see the true story.

What would they ever do if they had a chance to listen to BOTH sides, not just the CCP side, and see the actual evidence of why all kinds of things happened...

"Kick your butt on a test"... yeah so what. Most Americans don't know anything about China at all. In the end, the Chinese would end up losing what they walked in with... a solid belief in CCP propaganda...if they did not lose that, they would never pass the tests, nor learn anything.

[AIG]

What would they ever do if they had a chance to listen to BOTH sides That's easy. They'd have gridlock, like every other Third World democracy in the world today. If democracy is so wonderful, why are all these Third World democracies today such dysfunctional jokes?

[maui_hawaii]

Better the CCP be in power while the general populace grows progressively richer

See post #21. You and Lake gotta work these things out...

[Brian Allen]

<< Mass-murdering "china"] is a [Cronyist] "dream" from what I hear. >>

Hear, eh?

But can you read?

If so, read my post #34 [Or have someone who can, read it to you] -- and get back to me.

Or not.

Yawwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwn

[AIG]

Don't u understand capitalism? Some jobs like in agriculture ultimately have to go for the long-term economic good and health and growth of capitalism. It's painful but necessary in the long-run.

[maui_hawaii]

If they had a chance to listen to both sides, they would then be able to determine what is BS, and what is viable.

That comment just shows how much you read. I was referring to history class.

So essentially you are saying academic one lining is the way to go. If that was the case, China would have never changed at all. Dissent brings about positive change. Some people were thinking "Mao is an idiot" and "he is out of control" and hence they did something about it. But I guess their dissenting views don't count.

[AIG]

Destruction of jobs in economically less productive sectors like agriculture is part of the capitalist process.

[AIG]

"Rule by committee/consensus/democracy" is often a formula for stagnation and taking no action at all. Just look at India. Tell me all the big economic reforms it's made in the past 50 years. It's less than a handful.

[maui_hawaii]

Why don't you come around here and preach a little more about capitalism Mr Professor.

[AIG]

Furthermore, as we speak, democratic Latin America is on the verge of falling like dominoes due to Argentina's economic crisis spreading to Brazil and Mexico. Who in their right mind would want to follow this kind of example?

[AIG]

I'm not preaching, just stating obvious facts. Everyone can read these days that Brazil is in trouble and it's obvious to most people that today's Third World demoracies in general are jokes.

[Lake]

>>Destruction of jobs in economically less productive sectors like agriculture is part of the capitalist process.

If China is to have the third world "democracy" now, the 800 million peasants will definitely vote agaisnt any imports of the US agricultural products. The rest of the population, the laid-off workers, will vote against any imports of consumer goods.

[AIG]

Exactly. As soon as China becomes a democracy, it'll be ruled by 800-900 peasants who'll definitely elect more truly socialist leaders who'll put a stop to economic reforms for good, which is what happened in India over the past 50 years.

[AIG]

Giving developing countries with majority-poor populations the vote is the best way to stop economic reforms in their tracks. This indeed is why today's Third World democracies are the utter jokes they are (to answer my own question).