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Singer's remark riles Hispanics -- Greeley debates 'English' comment
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| July 9, 2002
| Michael Riley
Posted on 07/09/2002 10:43:24 AM PDT by Tancredo Fan
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To: He Rides A White Horse
What tribe?
To: He Rides A White Horse
You know what, don't bother replying. That last response shows just how intellectually dishonest a debater you are.
To: Luis Gonzalez
That last response shows just how intellectually dishonest a debater you are.How so?...........I consider myself to be an American, first and foremost. Don't you?
To: Luis Gonzalez
But I'll entertain your question anyway.........if you are asking what country my great great great whatever traced their roots to, it would be Germany.
To: He Rides A White Horse
As I said, intellectually dishonest.
I asked what your ancestry was, a fairly simple question that most people would immediately understand..
Go on playing stupid if you wish, just don't count on me to play along.
To: Luis Gonzalez
Now, now Luis, don't be getting all frustrated on me (laughing) ..........
To: skeeter
(I think someone needs to remind Skeeter that immigrants demanding their hosts' immediate and total respect is a new attitude among certain ethnic groups.)
I guess I should have ladled the sarcasm on a little thicker. Believe me I'm on your side.
Yes - I'm not getting the sarcasm even after re-reading, but I do apologize for misunderstanding
To: He Rides A White Horse
"People who come here should learn English. Just as if I decided to live in any other country in the world, I wouldn't expect them to adopt English, and to change their culture to fit my expectatations."
"Measures of great temper are necessary with the Germans," Benjamin Franklin wrote in 1753. "Those who come hither are generally of the most ignorant, stupid sort of their own nation, and . . . 'tis almost impossible to remove any prejudices they entertain. . . . Few of their children in the country learn English . . . and of the six printing houses in the province, two are entirely German, two half-German, half-English. . . . Advertisements intended to be general are now printed in Dutch [i.e., Deutsch] and English; the signs in our streets have inscriptions in both languages, and in some places only German. They begin of late to make all their . . . legal writings in their own language, which . . . are allowed in our courts, where the German business so increases that there is continual need of interpreters."
"Stop the flow of Germans into Pennsylvania, Franklin warned, or "they will soon so outnumber us, that . . . we will not in my opinion be able to preserve our language, and even our government will become precarious."
I guess you turned out OK...in spite of Ben's concerns about your great, great, great whatever's inability to assimilate.
BTW, was Oktoberfest celebrated here when the first German immigrants arrived?
To: E. Pluribus Unum
The Aztec Intifada or land for peace North American style. The UN will back mexico and illegals are just migrants with total property rights?
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07/10/2002 9:40:41 PM PDT
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To: Luis Gonzalez
Will not work, and I'll tell you why.........
Appealing to a pride in my ancestry won't win it for you.
You are attempting link people who feel that immigrants should learn our language with a feeling that all immigrants are unwelcome.
I'm not saying that. I don't have a problem with immigrants who want to come here, become Americans, and be a part of America.
It's not a case of, "because I don't like hispanic people who refuse to learn English, I therefore don't want any hispanic people here."
No, those who come here and get insulted because they are asked to blend in in a most reasonable should go home. They don't belong here.
Nobody is asking them to give up every shred of their former identity.
...and for you to equate a request for them to adopt the official tongue of their adopted country is racebaiting, Luis.
To: Luis Gonzalez
"Stop the flow of Germans into Pennsylvania, Franklin warned, or "they will soon so outnumber us, that . . . we will not in my opinion be able to preserve our language, and even our government will become precarious."It appears Ben was wrong, wasn't he?
Now, about your friends walking out in protest........
To: Luis Gonzalez
That should have read:
...and for you to equate a request for them to adopt the official tongue of their adopted country with bigotry is racebaiting, Luis.
To: Luis Gonzalez
See, your little parable makes no mention whatsoever as to the attitude towards these Germans towards assimilating, to learning the language.
In a speech between sets, Brock said he was tired of having to adapt to the widening influence of the country's newcomers. "You are coming to our country. We don't speak Russian. We don't speak Spanish. We speak English here," Brock told an audience of 7,000, according to the Greeley Tribune. While many Hispanics in the audience walked out
.....it does appear however that these folks have made plain what their intent is. Or isn't.
To: Doctor Stochastic
It's easier to insult than to pander. Or maybe it's easier to be a "Libertarian with anarchist tendencies" as your profile states. Take your open borders and multilingual idiocy and stuff it. Anarchists are by definition anti-government, so it's easy to understand your scorn for any policy that would unify the U.S. rather than fragment it. Anarchists could even be considered disloyal to established governments, and I think people should understand where you're coming from here.
To: Luis Gonzalez
.....and also, I don't see in your article where the Germans post weepy newspaper articles about how showing a photo ID at the polls is 'offending' hispanic 'sensibilities'.
To: Bernard Marx
I have never suggested fragmentation of the US. Please to not put words into my mouth. Your making up of things makes it difficulty to take your seriously.
To: He Rides A White Horse
You're pretty thick, aren't you?
What that post proves is that from Ben's time, people were concerned that immigrants would not assimilate. They were wrong then,and they are wrong now.
Second, Ben complained about the language issue. He thought the Germans would destroy our country by their desire to conduct commerce and such in German, the same as most claim here about the most recent arrivals. Ben was wrong then, they are wrong now.
Third, this is not a new problem like most claim here.
Fourth, Even back in Ben's times, immigrants demanded that court documents and such be translated to suit their language needs.
Sound familiar?
To: He Rides A White Horse
Ben may have been right about Germans...what cameras where available back then? Polaroids?
To: He Rides A White Horse
It wasn't a parable horsey, I quoted Ben Franklin.
To: Doctor Stochastic
Your entire position is by definition fragmentation of the U.S. And on't attribute words or thoughts or thoughts to me. There's no question of taking you seriously in any event.
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