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Anti-Americans had me in tears on the Fourth of July
Daily Telegraph ^ | 07/06 | Julia Magnet

Posted on 07/06/2002 8:59:49 AM PDT by ginle

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To: Inkie
More public servants per head of population

Sounds more like Kansas. We have so many State employees that we average three guys leaning on a shovel watching one guy dig. As opposed to the national average of two guys watching and one guy digging. A certain charm that Australia once had for me, has since diminished. They do not , however, lack colour.
181 posted on 07/07/2002 4:11:13 PM PDT by AdA$tra
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To: Byron_the_Aussie
Did you hit Omaha Beach yourself...

I didn't as I am only 40 years old. But my Dad (1917-1994) was a Seabee in the South Pacific during WWII. The world perspective that I have differs from that of most of my peers. Their parents fought in Vietnam. Their Grandparents were the people that experienced the great depression and then won WWII. So many of the people that are now becoming grandparents have never seen the things my parents had seen. To my peers that have those younger parents: Seek out your living relatives that are now over 80-years-old. Learn first hand what is was like to face real adversity.

Signed,
The Second-to-Last Baby-Boomer
182 posted on 07/07/2002 4:23:24 PM PDT by AdA$tra
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To: David Hunter
The Japanese attacked American territory and who knows where they would have stopped if the war had gone in their favour. If the NAZIs had finished off Britain and the USSR, then don't you think they might have begun to help the Japanese?

Well, you're about 50 hypotheticals ahead of the game in all this. Like I said, it's far from clear the Nazis would have attacked US mainland. You really disagree? (Meaning, you think it's clear they would have?)

Maybe the USA could have just sat by and let the most blatantly genocidal regime in history take over the whole of Europe.

In fact, the USA did. Well, maybe not the whole of Europe, but half of it. Remember Uncle Joe? But the USA fought against the other blatantly genocidal regime to save people who were almost exclusively foreigners. Instead of adopting the attitude of "too late", "about time", "the USA should have done it anyway", perhaps you ought to do some thinking until you realize that this is actually pretty remarkable.

Also why should Britain have helped America fight the Japanese, after all, we could have just scampered off back to Europe, our home country is in Europe you know.

Good point. Britain deserves credit.

You were good allies [although] you stayed out of the war until the NAZI allied Japanese attacked you.

As is to be expected. (Why should a country join a war in which they're not involved?)

Then I won't stop saying that without Britain, Americans would be speaking German, or perhaps Japanese.

You are free to say all the untrue things you wish. It's a free country, after all. Best,

183 posted on 07/07/2002 4:37:57 PM PDT by Dr. Frank fan
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To: Dr. Frank
...it's far from clear the Nazis would have attacked US mainland. You really disagree? (Meaning, you think it's clear they would have?)

I think that together with the Japanese, and with Britain and the USSR out of the war, there would have been a good chance that the mainland USA would have been a target. After all, this is Adolf Hitler we are talking about. He actually wrote down the dates by which he intended to conquer the European countries. The man had a similar attitude to Alexander the Great when it came to conquering other countries.

As is to be expected. (Why should a country join a war in which they're not involved?)

Good point. Britain only declared war on Germany because they invaded Poland. Britain could have signed a pact with Hitler, which he would probably have honoured since he respected the British people and the British Empire. But Britain had some moral fibre.

184 posted on 07/07/2002 5:15:39 PM PDT by David Hunter
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To: WhyisaTexasgirlinPA
With friends like this, who needs enemies?

Exactly my take, What in the world is wrong with this writer that she simply accepts this crap without counter attacking. Oh yeah, she went to college in America recently.

185 posted on 07/07/2002 5:22:35 PM PDT by jwalsh07
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To: glockmeister40
..you're right, I didn't do any fighting...

Surprise, surprise.

All you have done is sit at your computer and denigrate another country's war effort from behind a phony-macho screen name. You don't even know enough about the American Revolution to realise how important opposition in the British parliament was to its success.

186 posted on 07/07/2002 5:39:31 PM PDT by Byron_the_Aussie
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To: spitz
Like your post #168--like I said, you are a good sport.
187 posted on 07/07/2002 5:40:31 PM PDT by exit82
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To: Inkie
...the old Aussies of the WW2 days were a different kettle of fish altogether...

And what about the old Americans of the WW2 days, Inkie? Do you think they would have rushed in for a free kick at Britain, on the word of some tabloid journalist? Or do you think they might have said, 'let's focus on our common enemy- socialism'?

188 posted on 07/07/2002 5:43:38 PM PDT by Byron_the_Aussie
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To: ginle
I remember when Clinton was in, and the Europeans liked him only to make fun of him. I had friends that went to Europe who were asked "how could Americans vote for Clinton?" He was the laughing stock of the world with zilcho credibility. Those young Brits that hate America are just being fed tripe by their liberal press (or maybe they are reading our biased liberal press as well.)
189 posted on 07/07/2002 5:48:14 PM PDT by Lanza
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To: ginle
America is little different from 60 years ago when America pulled Britain's arse from the fire and saved them from the politics of defeat embodied by Neville Chamberlain. Terror from the skies slammed them and America backed Britain, much against our own best interests, at the time. Britain has always been a strange little country. Ruled by strange people and queerly oblivious to their own sordid actions. Why any sane American would want to live in Britain is a mystery to me.
190 posted on 07/07/2002 5:53:41 PM PDT by Thumper1960
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To: spitz; Byron_the_Aussie
The war of insurrection was one of many wars the British have lost. But the British are a pragmatic lot, a our history shows. We wouldn’t have spent 30 years crying in our soup whilst trying to post justify our loss in Vietnam, we just move along. Good luck t’ya.

Well, my understanding is George the Third never did get over the loss of the American colonies, and even bitterly complained about it on his deathbed.

But nevertheless, I am an Anglophile; having spent many a day at RAF Chicksands, Upper Heyford, Lakenheath, and Mildenhall, and surrounding environs, always enjoying British company as IF I WAS AT HOME HERE IN THE USA. We really are related, not just in the genes, but in the culture as well.

To Byron the Aussie--I spent two years at Woomera and absolutely loved it--well not out in the bush but Adelaide especially. Same as being in America. I never met more friendly people.

191 posted on 07/07/2002 6:22:19 PM PDT by Alas Babylon!
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To: Alas Babylon!
George III certainly had a strained grip on reality in the latter years of his reign. My point really was in answer to a post saying the British were resentful because we lost the war of American Independence. The truth is, it's a war that isn’t discussed in Britain. Personally, I don’t understand why that is, the easy answer would be to say we lost and would rather forget the whole episode. But the British seem to revel as much in defeat as victory, 1066, Khartoum and Dunkirk being examples, so I am not sure the easy answer is the right answer.

Just two more points. This one celebration didn’t go well, but for this one maybe 10, 20 or 50 others did. We will never hear about these of course because 'good will' isn’t newsworthy. Lastly, I can’t think of any other country where former adversaries can celebrate ones victory over the other. But I would be interested if you know any.

192 posted on 07/07/2002 8:54:42 PM PDT by spitz
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To: David Hunter
I think that together with the Japanese, and with Britain and the USSR out of the war, there would have been a good chance that the mainland USA would have been a target.

It occurs to me that in this hypothetical, you are conceding that Nazi Germany has overrun Europe and is now looking to expand across the Atlantic. Of course, it remains true in this situation that "you'd be speakin' German". Now all you're saying is that, afterwards in this hypothetical, Nazi-run Europe would have attacked the US next. The winner of this hypothetical war is (of course) open to speculation.

In any event, "you'd be speakin' German" regardless. Right?

Good point. Britain only declared war on Germany because they invaded Poland. Britain could have signed a pact with Hitler, which he would probably have honoured since he respected the British people and the British Empire. But Britain had some moral fibre.

I won't dispute that. Best,

193 posted on 07/07/2002 8:58:06 PM PDT by Dr. Frank fan
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To: ginle
This is a country that fell apart and lost it when the most eligible babe in the country offed herself in a car wreck.

Next!

194 posted on 07/07/2002 9:00:14 PM PDT by mhking
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To: David Hunter
May God bless you and yours and may God help you and your countrymen regain freedom.
195 posted on 07/07/2002 10:49:34 PM PDT by Dec31,1999
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To: Byron_the_Aussie
If the best you can muster is personal attacks it's no wonder you guys get beat in so many wars. If is wasn't for us austraila and nz would be speaking japanese. Perhaps we'll have to help these ingrates again when the chinese come looking for them.

I'm really wondering why we should help these socialist retards at all. Hell, the "empire" barely won against the military might of third world argentina.

This is a predominantly American web forum. Look at how many times you've been flamed on this thread.

Your dilapidated "empire" is strongly in need of fixing. You need us far more then we need you.

196 posted on 07/08/2002 5:23:59 AM PDT by glockmeister40
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To: glockmeister40
..if the best you can muster is personal attacks...

It's not the 'best I can muster', bozo.

It's all you deserve.

197 posted on 07/09/2002 4:17:24 PM PDT by Byron_the_Aussie
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To: Dec31,1999
...may God bless you and yours and may God help you and your countrymen regain freedom....

Thank you for such a warm and hopeful blessing. I and many foreign conservatives hold the same wish, for your wonderful country.

198 posted on 07/09/2002 4:21:03 PM PDT by Byron_the_Aussie
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To: Alas Babylon!
....always enjoying British company as IF I WAS AT HOME HERE IN THE USA. We really are related, not just in the genes, but in the culture as well....

OF COURSE WE ARE. Thank you, for acknowledging that. It's a breath of commonsense in amongst this fog of moronic xenophobia.

Wouldn't you and I have more in common with a British or Australian or Upper Slobbovian conservative who, 1. loves God, 2. believes in the rights embodied in the Constitution, and 3. is alarmed at the growth of the State, than we would have with some pro-abort Million Marcher who just happens to be American?

199 posted on 07/09/2002 4:30:26 PM PDT by Byron_the_Aussie
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To: Alas Babylon!
...to Byron the Aussie--I spent two years at Woomera and absolutely loved it--well not out in the bush but Adelaide especially. Same as being in America. I never met more friendly people...

Forgot to mention how delighted I was to read that. I have had exactly the same warm reception in the US and am really looking forward to another visit. Ashamed to confess my aunt in Redondo Beach is a Dem, but I will keep working on her. :)

200 posted on 07/09/2002 4:34:08 PM PDT by Byron_the_Aussie
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