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High anxieties : What the WHO doesn't want you to know about cannabis
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Posted on 07/02/2002 8:56:30 AM PDT by WindMinstrel
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To: philman_36
Wrong on both counts, dear. It is a play off my real name.
141
posted on
07/02/2002 3:08:37 PM PDT
by
MEGoody
To: Wolfie
I would assert that the pot increased the 'trauma' of the experience enough to make him want to kill himself.
142
posted on
07/02/2002 3:09:59 PM PDT
by
MEGoody
To: William Terrell
"You would probably be amazed at the sheer number of software systems used every day by people all over the world which were written, every single line of code, while stoned on cannabis."
And you would be amazed at the number of hours required for debugging and troubleshooting after the code was written while the programmer was stoned.
143
posted on
07/02/2002 3:12:08 PM PDT
by
MEGoody
To: William Terrell
"You evidently have absolutely no idea what you are talking about"
Guess you already forgot my post. As I stated, I used to smoke pot. I know the effects.
144
posted on
07/02/2002 3:12:58 PM PDT
by
MEGoody
To: MEGoody
It's not a matter of how I "wish" to view it - it
is a silly anecdote. You wish to draw broad policy prescriptions from a silly anecdote, and that's just...well, silly.
Now, if you'd like to marshal a few facts about the totality of the situation, or maybe even a statistic or two, and thereby try to construct a coherent, logical case for your position, I'll be more than happy to consider it seriously. But as long as you want to argue based on emotional appeals and silly anecdotes, you can continue to expect non-serious responses to your non-serious arguments. ;)
To: general_re
So you think it's silly that someone's level of 'trauma' or 'depression' or whatever you chose to call it was enhanced by the pot and hung themselves? That says something of your level of compassion for your fellow humans beings.
As you are fully aware, one can find statistics and studies on both sides of the issue, depending on who is preparing the statistics/studies and what outcome they want to achieve.
And as I well know, no amount of statistical information or studies would sway your opinion. You want to smoke pot, so you will.
146
posted on
07/02/2002 3:16:03 PM PDT
by
MEGoody
To: vin-one
Quitting requires pepcid untill the gastric juices simmer down. I quit 10 years ago and just took it up a year ago. Legalize and leave home users alone.
To: MEGoody
So you think it's silly that someone's level of 'trauma' or 'depression' or whatever you chose to call it was enhanced by the pot and hung themselves? That says something of your level of compassion for your fellow humans beings. No, I find it silly that you automatically assume that the pot was somehow a cause of that behavior, when you yourself admit that he had "problems". That says something of the level of your critical thinking skills.
And as I well know, no amount of statistical information or studies would sway your opinion. You want to smoke pot, so you will.
Actually, statements like that only serve to illustrate that you don't "well know" anything about me, but that you'll simply assume that you do in order to try to make your case. Can you make a single post to me that doesn't rest on logical fallacy? ;)
To: Atomic Vomit
The drunks are loud, obstinate, belligerent and violent. They exhibit disgraceful behavior, even for sailors. The buzz kings are passive and quiet. Their worst behavior is leaving unwashed ice cream dishes in the sink. They agree to what I, authority, tell them to do and cause no problems. They are ready to work the next morning whereas the boozers are hung over and barely manageable. Interesting.
149
posted on
07/02/2002 3:22:50 PM PDT
by
A. Pole
To: Atomic Vomit
I wondered why my sex drive came back.
Bad time to brag about being Single for Life. Oh well.
To: oceanperch
120 ton bags of pop!
GOA POP going good now. BSAI POP quotas increased this year.
See you on the Bering Sea!
Mr. Atomic Vomit
To: Destructor
Mr. Destructor-
The British govt. (Some Ministry or other involved in traffic safety) commissioned a study re: the effects of pot on driving. The study was done with the aim of showing the British public that pot is unsafe.
The data in the final report, sheepishly released by the same ministry, showed the opposite: drivers while stoned drive more cautiously.
It has to do with the "paranoia" (read, "caution") element of being high. Pot smokers are risk-averse. Drunk drivers are an entirely different animal.
I don't advocate that people should drive high or drunk but I can safely assert that I'd rather share the road with dopers than drunkards, if the choice must be made.
I read of this in Newsmax and here at Freepers. Perhaps a helpful Freeper will locate it for you.
Mr. Atomic Vomit
To: MEGoody
And you would be amazed at the number of hours required for debugging and troubleshooting after the code was written while the programmer was stoned. Wrong. This is code degugged, into production and working with no more hours devoted to debugging, pre or post production, as any other code. Do you know anything about programing?
Jeez...I got my computer minor in college twnety years ago writing FORTRAN stoned to the be-jeezuz.
As a reformed pot head, I got to tell you I always felt better stoned than drunk. I was never stupid enough to drive either way. The worst thing we did was order too much pizza delivered to the house.
And you want to talk paranoia...try smoking pot in a military school!
To: MEGoody
Guess you already forgot my post. As I stated, I used to smoke pot. I know the effects. And what are the effects? What does it stop you from doing, being "stoned", or stop you from doing well? My reference to you not knowing what you are talking about is your single emotional experience, from which experience you assume, a priori, conditions of the human mental processes on cannabis.
Like the poster before asked, did you hang yourself in you cell, too? Obviously not. That, with your testimony that you smoked cannabis, makes it pikestaff obvious that cannabis had nothing to do with the suicide.
If it did you would have commited suicide, too. Couple that with the fact that you don't have any idea whether that person would have committed suicide without pot, and you have a hysterical reaction that seeks to blame the genesis on a correlation. Against that conclusion are hundreds of government and independent research results that testify that what you assume is bullbutter.
As I said, you don't know what you are talking about.
To: MEGoody
And please spare me the 'pot doesn't do that kind of thing' argument. I used to smoke it, so I know better.
Then I shall frame the argument in terms of "Pot doesn't do that kind of thing to anyone I've ever gotten high with, or anyone I've ever met who does get or has gotten high."
To: MEGoody
Just that it is harmful if used habitually and/or in unsafe situations
Does your argument hinge on the "habitually" part? If so, I can present empirical and anecdotal evidence to the contrary. Every stoner I know has (at the least) a good job. One of my pothead buddies owns her own company. Another is what you'd call a managing director, if he were at a larger company. Two more are seventh- or eighth-year attorneys with firms whose names are recognized nationwide.
The point is that some habitual potheads, like some habitual drunks or smokers (as if there's any other kind of smoker), are as productive as non-potheads - in some cases, including mine, quite a bit more productive. (The corollary, of course, is that some aren't.)
To: vin-one; general_re
Reefer Grrl putting in an appearance!
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To: Wolfie
Sign in our local Smoke 'n' Toke: "Saying BONG is not a crime." My hand to God.
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