Posted on 07/01/2002 7:25:44 AM PDT by aculeus
What does that mean?
Time and space didn't exist until God created them. Since God existed before time and space, the concepts don't really apply to Him.
My experience debating evos is that they attempt to ridicule arguments against which they have no real answers and the relationship between evolution and the totalitarian regimes and systems of the 20'th century is unarguable and unanswerable. The attempts to ridicule such arguments only indicate the intellectual bankruptcy of the evos.
I once even gave the geniuses on talk.origins an opportunity to see if they could even distinguish the rantings of Uncle Adolph from those of Chuck Darwin, and they couldn't do it:
This is an old talk.origins archive post. Basically, I had challenged the talk.origins crew (bandarlog) to see if they could tell the difference between ideological writing samples from the famous racist and evolutionist, Chuck Darwin, and the famous racist and evolutionist, Adolf Hitler. A champion (Pflanze) from amongst the bandarlog arose to take up the challenge:
Subject: Re: Darwin/Hitler Test
From: medved@access.digex.net (Ted Holden)
Date: 1997/05/11
Message-ID: <3375fdd4.143923491@newsreader.digex.net>
Newsgroups: alt.fan.publius,alt.fan.splifford,alt.christnet,talk.origins
On 11 May 1997 12:06:52 GMT, cwpf@news.utk.edu (Charles W Pflanze) wrote:
Therefore, here, too, the struggle among themselves arises less from inner aversion than from hunger and love. In both cases, Nature looks on calmly, with satisfaction, in fact. In the struggle for daily bread all those who are weak and sickly or less determined succumb, while the struggle of the males for the female grants the right or opportunity to propagate only to the healthiest. And struggle is always a means for improving a species' health and power of resistance and, therefore, a cause of its higher development.
>This is more likely Darwin's work. Anyone doing experimental or
>developmental work in biology knows and uses all the the above
>observations. What's the big deal?
"At some future period, not very distant as measured by centuries, the civilized races of man will almost certainly exterminate, and replace the savage races throughout the world...
>This is more likely Hitler's work. Now we read about civilized races
>exterminating "savage races."
My reply:
Congratulations, you have earned an incredible distinction for yourself; you can tell your grandchildren that you were the first to flunk the official alt.fan.splifford Hitler/Darwin test. In years to come, after evolutionism has been laughed to scorn and is no longer taught in civilized nations, your name will be famous. Textbooks will note that, once it became obvious that even a genius such as Charles Pflanze could not tell the difference between Darwin's writings and those of Adolf Hitler, it was pretty much all over but the shouting.
Learn from the best... learn from the Intelligent Designer himself. That makes sense.
And this from Tribune7:
Issac Newton, by all accounts, was a full-blown religious fanatic.
must mean that I am in pretty good company.
QED
The idea of dinosaurs persisting until recently is the only part of that which you've got right.
Is it really that hard for you to accept that others may have a different POV than yours, or is there some other driving need to try and make your point more valid by belittling others beliefs?
Seek help.
I ask you: How could anything be stupider or worse than that? What could possibly be worse than professing to believe in such a thing?
Maybe, wasting so much energy, time and bandwidth to refute an idea which you say is ridiculous on its face?
And why have your buns in such an uproar, anyway? Why could it not be that God said 'Abracadabra-Shazzam' --- KA-BOOM! --- and created all the raw material subsequently used by the evolutionary process? Put everything in place - the fundamental laws governing the entire universe, and the energy upon which those laws acted - and simply let it happen. Or is it, as another poster suggested, your entire mental, emotional & spiritual well-being rests on an absolute literal interpretation of a folk-tale which originated long before even rudimentary alphabets? (If that's the case, I would say you have a much more pronounced difficulty than crucifying the efforts of thousands of Ph.D.s -- that being, why in hell would you worship a being which exhibits the worst of human characteristics?)
But he had the capacity to create "time and space." Therefore "time and space" co-existed with God in this pre-"time and space" non-time/non-space. So where did this pre-"time and space" come from?
Cheap monster movies have the monsters growing without eating anything. Cheap religious theories have gods creating matter out of nothing.
Well, if all things need creators, then the creator needs a creator, ad infinitum.
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