Roosevelt ordered surveillance of Windsors

The Guardian (U.K.) ^ | 06/29/2002 | Rob Evans and David Hencke

[Ranger]

Incredible

[crazykatz]

There is a book called UNHOLY TRINITY by Mark Aarons and John Loftus. On page 210, it states:

"...in the U.S. National Archives we discovered a top secret American interrogation file of Joachhim von Ribbentrop, who was Hitler's Ambassador to London, before becoming German Foreign Minister. It was Ribbentrop's phone that was taped. Shortly before he was hanged at Nuremberg, Ribbentrop confirmed that he almost concluded an alliance in the 1930's with the help of two British leaders who were secret Nazi sympathisers. One was a former Prime Minister, the other the future king."

This book has more about the subject...want more info.???

[foolscap]

As I recall reading Churchill also had the Windsor's under watch for the same reason. Everytime I hear about what a great romance their relationship was it makes me want to gag. They were sick self centered people who ran with a very sick self centered crowd.

[Ipse Dixit]

according to documents released to the Guardian by the FBI.

It's extremely convenient that all of the principals involved, who could either confirm or deny all of these particulary interesting reports are now, unfortunately, deceased.

[okie01]

"As I recall reading Churchill also had the Windsor's under watch for the same reason."

One wonders why the Guardian thinks this is news. Virtually every WW II historian, including Churchill himself, has written of the rumored affair and of Edward VIII's flirtation with the Nazis.

Hell, even the Germans acted upon it. The reason the Duke and Duchess were spirited out of Portugal to Bermuda by the British intelligence services was that they had arranged to rendezvous with Walter Schellenberg of the Sicherheitsdienst and possibly be taken to Germany.

That the Duke and the Duchess were an embarrassment to the crown and a serious security risk is well known. Is the Guardian just being obtuse?

[WaterDragon]

There's nothing 'damning' about the surveillance. The duke and duchess were openly Nazi-sympathizers. the

[joyce11111]

Mmmmmmmm??? I had heard this before about the Duchess...that she was leaning to the Nazis in the 30's.

[Paul Atreides]

I saw a documentary on the Windsors once; it seems that the royal family encouraged the marriage so that he would have to abdicate and they wouldn't have a Nazi sympathizer on the throne.

[cascademountaineer]

Right every body is a nazi sympathizer now. The Duke and Duchess of England, The Queen Mum, The Royal Family, The past 10 Presidents Rep. And Dem.

Jeez,

Why go to a liberal campus to find paranoia.

Its right here on FR.

[D-fendr]

WWI was a family affair, the monarchs involved were related.

The Saxe-Coburg-Gotha monarchy changed its name in 1917 – to Windsor – so that its German origins were not apparent.

[HowlinglyMind-BendingAbsurdity]

Did anyone have any investigative surveillance on FDR when he sold out at Yalta?

[VOA]

Did anyone have any investigative surveillance on FDR when he sold out at Yalta?

Perhaps indirect.
Go to www.pbs.org; check out the NOVA episode titled "Secret, Lies and Atomic Spies".

It was an incredible revelation about the number of Soviet operatives that had insinuated
themselves into the US government and military during The Cold War.

One segment that amazed me is to hear a documentary on PBS say that Alger Hiss is virtually
a lock for a Soviet operative described in the Venona intercepts concerning Yalta (IIRC).
To hear Alger Hiss called a Soviet operative on PBS...IN-FREAKIN-CREDIBLE!

[HowlinglyMind-BendingAbsurdity]

And how ironic. McCarthy was essentially right but simply could neither prove nor back up his claims. Has anyone published a list of Commie agents in the West since revealed through the opened KGB archives?

[Doctor Stochastic]

Actually from Hanover to Windsor.

[VOA]

McCarthy was essentially right but simply could neither prove nor back up his claims.

The NOVA episode did editorialize a bit. It said that McCarthy was right that there
were Communists in the US gov. and military, but that he totally botched identifying them.
And this is in part due to the US intelligence establishment holding back info
as they hoped to eventually arrest and prosecute, without first tipping their hand.

I don't know if a full list has come out yet, but the NOVA show said that it's a lock
that there were at least 300 active Soviet operative, based on the translated Venona intercepts.
(AND, if I understood correctly, that represented only something like a one or two percentage
of intercepted traffic.

[Doctor Stochastic]

Check the venona home page and the works cited therein.

[HowlinglyMind-BendingAbsurdity]

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/venona/

Cool site.

[HowlinglyMind-BendingAbsurdity]

And here: http://www.nsa.gov/docs/venona/venona_docs.html

[D-fendr]

Both statements are correct:

But all this was soon to come under pressure, because as the 1917 crisis in Britain deepened, it had an incendiary effect on the popular mind. The circle around the King was publicly referred to as an "alien and uninspiring court", with the key word being "alien". George V was incensed at this, but it did nothing to stop the rumors. And the rumors were becoming dangerous indeed with the suggestion that the King was really a German (not an Englishman), hence secretly pro-Germany, and that that was why Britain was losing the war. At the sub-text level we may read in pro-tyrant as well.

The Hanover-Brunswick kings had always been German, of course, and King George I (the first Hanoverian king) did not really speak English at all, which is partly how Walpole and the Robinocracy got to do what they did. So this fuel was always there to feed the exploding flash-fire of rumors which in early 1917 completely overwhelmed the common-sense fact that is was absurd to think of George V (for goodness sake!) as pro-German.

But they did. And with German Gotha bombers doing their damage in Britain, the British royal house of Saxe-Coburg-Gotha (the name it had acquired from Prince Albert) was at the end of its rope. Something drastic had to be done.

Thus in July 1917, as we know, there came the famed royal proclamation. The British royal house would henceforth be known as the House of Windsor. Saxe-Coburg-Gotha was trashed. The entire Battenberg family was made to change their name to Mountbatten. The Queen's (Mary of Teck) family name was changed from the German Teck to Cambridge. The King's other prominent continental relative, the Duke of Coburg (fighting on the German side), was disowned. And relatives cum tyrants everywhere were put on the blacklist.

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