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WHY I WOULD BUY SMITH & WESSON GUNS AND BOYCOTT RUGER
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Posted on 06/26/2002 11:16:46 AM PDT by 2nd_Amendment_Defender

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To: 2nd_Amendment_Defender
I don't like what they did, but I love my 6" stainless Ruger GP-100 and my Ruger 10/22 with 60 round clip. Although it is a pain to load the .22, they are both some of the best guns I've ever owned.
21 posted on 06/26/2002 3:07:35 PM PDT by brazos.357
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To: Billthedrill; 2nd_Amendment_Defender
Sugarmann is very good at this - his was the first use of the now-notorious phrase "gunshow loophole" and for some time he has been attempting to create a new category of concealable pistols to regulate under the neologism "pocket rocket." The latter is, to my knowledge, his only propagandic setback to date.

Wouldn't it be too bad if someone, somewhere found something that could put Sugarmann in jail, or at least show him to be a complete hypocrite? I'd love it, for instance, if HE owned a firearm defined as an "assault rifle" under that odious legislation, or if he carried concealed. Come on - ANYONE - can't something be found to eliminate this hoplophobe's poisonous voice?

22 posted on 06/26/2002 3:07:56 PM PDT by Ancesthntr
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To: 2nd_Amendment_Defender
The answer is the CZ-75B. Dependable and accurate and high-cap mags can still be had for $40.
23 posted on 06/26/2002 3:46:30 PM PDT by FormerLib
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To: FormerLib
bump
24 posted on 06/26/2002 5:55:16 PM PDT by Pagey
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To: 2nd_Amendment_Defender
Water under the bridge, time marches on, tomorrow is another day. A long time ago, a man tried to deal with the anti-gunners.
If the gun owners would spend their time fighting against the gun grabbers instead of fighting among ourselves, we wouldn't have gun control.
25 posted on 06/26/2002 6:16:58 PM PDT by Shooter 2.5
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To: 2nd_Amendment_Defender
Ruger apparently is an elitist. But he was also a good firearms engineer, and I'll use his guns, if need be, to defend myself, my family, and my community, against his elitism. I admit, my next gun may not be a Ruger, though. Ordinarily, that would be the first brand I'd look at.
26 posted on 06/26/2002 6:41:39 PM PDT by agrandis
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To: 2nd_Amendment_Defender
Okay. I was wrong about you. Obviously, you're not a Smith & Wesson groupie. It's clear that you are indeed a defender of the 2nd Amendment! I stand corrected.

As for the ban on high capacity magazines I can't make heads, or tails of it. I know you speak the truth, because I remember when the Law went into effect. The factory magazines are disappearing fast. Luckily for me I stocked up a few years ago when they were still cheap. The weird thing is that there are plenty of the after-market cheapo plastic magazines available. How do you account for that?

As for the comments of Mr. Ruger I think that he was pandering in the face of (then) powerful opposition. As you said it was a misguided effort to save a little, rather than lose it all. The pandering/sell out makes me sick, but the problem is that the Mini-14 is a darn good rifle! Ideal for someone in the position of having to fight a geurrilla war. Reliable with a minimum of parts. Plus it uses .223 round that is readily available. I'm afraid I'm already on board. I'm considering the future- how bout you? A Smith & Wesson is more of a status symbol than a practical firearm.

27 posted on 06/27/2002 5:55:49 AM PDT by Destructor
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To: Destructor
"The pandering/sell out makes me sick, but the problem is that the Mini-14 is a darn good rifle!"

The Mini-14 has two problems with accuracy. Large groups are common and when the barrel heats up, the groups start to string upward. I'm working on a solution to both problems.

28 posted on 06/27/2002 7:28:26 AM PDT by Shooter 2.5
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To: Shooter 2.5
Powder..Patch..Ball FIRE!

Water under the bridge, time marches on, tomorrow is another day. A long time ago, a man tried to deal with the anti-gunners. If the gun owners would spend their time fighting against the gun grabbers instead of fighting among ourselves, we wouldn't have gun control.

AGREED!

29 posted on 06/27/2002 9:13:46 AM PDT by BallandPowder
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To: Shooter 2.5
Water under the bridge, time marches on, tomorrow is another day. A long time ago, a man tried to deal with the anti-gunners. If the gun owners would spend their time fighting against the gun grabbers instead of fighting among ourselves, we wouldn't have gun control.

Thanks, Shooter. Well said.

The problem, I fear, is that we (firearms enthusiasts/shooters/etc.) get into a super paranoid mind set concerning what has happened in the past. We should all remember that when the first attacks on the 2A were made (after the big one, of course, GCA '68, a time when most of us here were serving their country, and were not really informed of what was happening at home), in the late 80's, there just weren't that many people online. We had no cohesive base, and no way to quickly disseminate information. The only info we possessed was "word of mouth" at the sporting goods store, on the firing lines at the range and in the clubhouse. Even the firearms magazines (the kind you read LOL) were at least 2 months behind on any news, and one can forget news media, they were on an agitprop feeding frenzy for the anti-gun bunch.

Today, things are different. We have FR, we have the internet, we have many discussion lists where information is promulgated instantly. What we need is cohesiveness. Worrying about what someone did years ago is meaningless, it can't be changed. We have to concern ourselves with what we do NOW, and in the near future, against further attacks.

Each and every person who desires to retain their rights should register and vote for the candidate who is pro gun. That is the litmus test. If they support the right to keep and bear arms as an individual right of every citizen, then they get the vote. If they hedge and deal, they don't. Simple indeed. It also helps to put out our message whenever and wherever we can, to as many people as we can, explain what the 2A is NOT about (hunting, competition, all the usual things which we do with our firearms regularly), but is about FREEDOM. Once one gets that point across, we have made another convert, and with God's help, we will remain Citizens and not Subjects.

FMCDH

Greg

30 posted on 06/27/2002 11:03:52 AM PDT by gwmoore
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To: gwmoore
Thanks and I agree with everything that you mentioned.
We have 95% of the gun owners sitting on the sidelines waiting for others to do the work. What makes it even worse is the gun owners who whine about what happened thirty years ago.
I don't care what group a person joins as long as they work together defeating the real enemy, the anti-gunners.
31 posted on 06/27/2002 1:33:04 PM PDT by Shooter 2.5
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To: agrandis; KentuckyWoman
Agreed!

I'm a Big Fan of the P-95 (that is somewhere near to me).

But, after all that is mentioned in this article, why does that make the crap that S&W did supposed to seem better ??

. . . maybe I'm just getting too old . . .

32 posted on 06/28/2002 6:37:55 AM PDT by Alabama_Wild_Man
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To: 2nd_Amendment_Defender
Goodbye Ruger. Hello Glock. Or Para-Ordinance P14-45, P16-40.
33 posted on 06/28/2002 10:26:34 AM PDT by 4CJ
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To: 2nd_Amendment_Defender
The high capacity magazine ban has no teeth. On any given day you can find scores of adds that read like, "High Capacity Mags, limited stock, soon these will no longer be available". The latest pitch is, "can not be shipped to California or New York." It is a marketing pitch, eveyone wants something that those liberal kooks in CA and NY are not allowed to have.

These adds have been running for over ten years and still you can find bushels of high capacity mags at gun shows, on the internet, in gun shops, surplus stores, and just about any place guns and ammo are sold except Kmart. The truth is everyone that wants one already has one and probability has many more of them due to the low price and availability.

Strangely or not so strangely you rarely see anyone at a shooting range using these things. They are awkward is the usual reason. Plinkers will use high capacity mags when they are out to waste lots of ammo shooting tin cans or an old muffler stuck on a fence post.

Better get some high capacity mags before they are all gone ! Don't try to sell them to me, I already have plenty and don't use them for anything. Anyway, the law still sucks, that is why I bought them in the first place.

34 posted on 06/28/2002 7:10:43 PM PDT by SSN558
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To: 2nd_Amendment_Defender
A couple years ago, I bought a S&W Model 22A rather than a Ruger Mark II because of Ruger's actions back in 1990. Then a few days later, S&W signed a contract with the devil so I sold the S&W and got a Mark II. While I'm not keen on Ruger's earlier actions, I do perceive that they've learned from the aftermath that the gun banners are not to be trusted, and that playing nice with the gun banners will not sate their appetite but merely increase it.
35 posted on 06/28/2002 9:51:02 PM PDT by supercat
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To: 2nd_Amendment_Defender
My Ruger got swiped. It was my most favorite. Now what do I do?
36 posted on 06/28/2002 10:40:44 PM PDT by Deb
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My Ruger got swiped. It was my most favorite. Now what do I do?

Buy a Glock 22, Glock 21 or Sig Sauer P220. Those are nice .45 semi-automatic pistols. The Glock 22 is .40 S&W caliber.

If your looking for revolvers there are Colt and Dan Wesson.

37 posted on 06/29/2002 5:43:44 AM PDT by 2nd_Amendment_Defender
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To: Destructor

Oh, c'mon what president or congress hasn't made some sort of shady deal with some huge company or manufacturer. I sleep with my Smith & Wesson just to feel safe. Plus, it's probably the only thing in my home that's American made, so big deal with Clinton. George seems to be screwing up far better than any other pres out there! My holding my breath for him to end the war is pointless, so maybe you should give up thinking you'll get an apology.

ROCK ON SMITH & WESSON KEEP THE WEST WILD


38 posted on 12/21/2006 3:26:24 PM PST by russettdiamond
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To: LibTeeth

Business is all about the customer. Big business is is all about the shareholder.


39 posted on 12/21/2006 3:54:52 PM PST by Doohickey (I am not unappeasable. YOU are just too easily appeased.)
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To: russettdiamond

We have a new one


40 posted on 12/21/2006 3:59:17 PM PST by always vigilant
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