Posted on 06/25/2002 5:24:11 PM PDT by OKCSubmariner
Me thinks not!
William Jasper has written extensively on the OKC bombing and links to 9/11 for the New American Magazine.
Jasper is a strong Christian family man who has written on the ME connection to OKC bombing for over seven years and interviewed most of the witnesses who know of Hussaini, Khalil and the other ME men with McVeigh in OKC. Jasper also interviewed Khalil personally in Khalil's house-I know because I took JASper there for the interview. Jasper also interviewed the best eyewitness of Al Hussaini, Kay Heron, and wrote about it over five years ago and several times since-I know because I was there when Jasper interviewed Heron and I spoke with her. Jasper worked closely with Glen Wilburn of OKC who lost both of his grandchildren in the Murrah day care center.
Jasper has done more than any one to keep this story alive publicly about the ME connection to OKC when Jayna Davis and KFORTV stopped reporting and did not do any more reporting for over four years after mid 1996 because they were pinned down by lawsuits by Hussaini and the takeover of KFORTV by the NYTImes in 1996 who also sued Davis over control of her investigation records and tapes.
Over four years ago Jasper went to Klayman of Judicial Watch, Reed Irvine of Accuracy in Media, to Mr. Chris Colesnick of Senator Grassleys office, to Congressman Helen Chenoweth of Idaho and to Bob Barr of Georgia with the evidence of the ME connection. Jasper worked closely with OKC attorney Mike Johnston for over seven years to keep this story alive.
I went with Jaspers and my evidence of the ME connection with Jaspers help to the Senate Intelligence Committee in 1995 (Susan Spaulding,legal counsel), 1997, 1999(Joan Grimson legal counsel) and a lot this year with the evidence of the ME connection(Bill Dunke, Senator Shelby’s assistant). I also went with evidence of the ME connection to OKC to the legal counsel for the Senate Judiciary working for Grassley in 1997 along with the Pentgon terror advisor Jesse Clear.
I also went to the House Task force on terrorism(Congressman James Saxton of New Jersey) and BOdanskys and Vaughan Forest's offices over the ME connection starting in 1996 about the ME connection. I passed on the details of my conversations to Davis about Vaughan, Bodansky and the Task Force. I arranged to have Bodansky interviewed in OKC on KTOK back in 1998 about the OKC ME connection.
Congress (Hatch, Inhofe, Grassley,Senate Judiciary and Intell committees)) has known about in detail about the ME connection from me and JAsper starting in 1995 and 1996, long before Davis started going on Fox news in 2001.
I urged Rob Monaco in writing and on the phone with Fox OReilly to interview Davis starting in 2000 . I went to the Senate Intel committee in 1999 (Bill Dunke of Senator Shelby’s office) to make arrangements to help Davis give her evidence and other investigators evidence to FBI agent Dan Vogel.
I gave Davis David Schippers phone number right after his book Sellout came out and repeatedly urged her to contact Schippers. And I urged Davis starting in late 2001 to participate as much as possible in the Senate Intell hearings coming up at the time on the failures that led to 9/11.
I started encouraging Davis to contact Ken Timmerman about the OKC bombing almost four years ago because Timmerman is an expert on Arab money raising for ME terror organizations and politicians,. Timmerman is doing important original work on the Philippine connections to the OKC bombing and the 9/11 attacks. He is a great friend and associate for me to have working on the case.
I also encouraged Davis to contact Reed Irvine of accuracy in Media over three years ago and gave her Reed's phone number.
I put Mrs Davis in direct contact with BlueDogDemo in 2001 before and after 9/11 to assist her and to get protection for Khalil secretary Sharon Twilley who links Khalid Mohammed and Khalil to the OKC bombing with Hussaini and Nichols (according to what BlueDog has posted publicly on FR).
Jasper and I have know in detail about Twilley since 1995 because Glenn Wilburn talked with her and taped his conversations with her. Wilburn investigated Khalil and took Jasper and me to Khalil's car body shop where it is believed the late model Chevy pickup in the FBI APB was repainted yellow. Jasper and I interviewed Joe and Jeanie Royers in Wilburn’s house in 1995 when the Royers told us about the FBI agent Strickland coming to impound the repainted truck driven by Olie Ahmad at the Royer's apartment complex.
Jasper interviewed the Egyptian Adlai Abraham in OKC who worked at the church who had sponsored Hussaini and other Iraqis brought to OKC after the Gulf War.
Davis has learned much of her ME information over the years from William Jasper, William Northrup, Jesse Clear,Charles Key and my witnesses and investigations. I even provided the original info about Hussaini serving in the Iraq Repub guard in early May 1995 to her coworker Brad Edwards when it had not yet been learned about Hussaini's service in Iraq.
Davis knows much and has developed some good independent leads. But there is much ME connection info she did not develop originally and still does not know about and fully understand that was developed by investigators in the case long ago and still ongoing.
Go to www.newamerican.com and check out their archives for all of Jaspers work , most of which has been posted on FR over the years.
We are glad to have James Patterson reporting now for the Indy Star on the ME connection but he still is catching up with the details of the case which Davis provides him and understandably leaves out important details of the case he has not learned about yet but which Jasper has learned and written about years before and even now.
Jasper tried repeatedly along with State Representative Charles Key for over six years to get Jayna Davis to go public with her information and the information Key and Jasper learned about the ME connections. We are glad Davis finally started appearing on Fox News last year with OReilly, but the delay in her coming forward sooner has made it harder to get Congressional action sooner that was really needed before 9/11 to take action against terrorist groups in America.
I contradict it. Your lack of knowledge concerning the events you are commenting on as demonstrated in the above statement relieves you of any credibility. Do some homework before your next rant, please. We appreciate sourced information with a link.
1. I hazarded a recollection in response to a post, of stories picked up in media, and asked OKC Submariner whether he had something different from what I recollected -- which is a fair question and challenge. His recounting of events didn't say how the APB for the suspicious Arab fellows turned out. I recalled that they were finally identified and exonerated. He didn't say -- leaving open the possibility that he was talking about some different Arabs than I had heard about, or that whoever wrote what he was citing conveniently forgot about the exoneration to amp up the theory, or that I was simply in error, and they really never were found.
2. You contradicted me -- but you didn't supply any support. Homework yourself, pal.
3. Your comment about my posting style is ignorant, and your precipitate and infantile attempt at relieving yourself of any further burden of discussion of your POV, or your contradiction of mine, won't wash. You're pantsed, Gomer. You post something like that to me, you better put up or shut up.
4. Who's "we",, Gomer? You and your tapeworm?
, nevertheless it should be said that the "evidence" offered here of Iraqi "involvement" is very, very thin stuff.
The APB for the Arabs you describe was carried out, the guys and their pickup truck were found, I remember reading or hearing at the time, and the two men were exonerated of any responsibility for the explosion. Do you contradict that?
About all you've got to go on is some eyewitness descriptions and a police sketch of "John Doe 2", and a piece of camo cloth from the explosion crater.
The mainstream media has failed in their responsibility to investigate and inform the public about important information concerning the OKC bombing. OKCSubmariner has dedicated substantial time, energy and resources to fill the void left by the major media.
It is clear the "crispness" in my response was an over reaction to your "snippy" remarks above. Often I take for granted that everyone on FR is aware that OKCSub is one of the most knowledgable individuals in the country on the events concerning the Oklahoma City bombing. William Jasper may be a new name as well, but he is another doing very competent reporting and if he writes something,he can back it up.
But in your remarks you did ask, Do you contradict that?, which is a request for information. You didn't ask me for the information but I will link you to sites if you care to read a considerable amount of information on the APB on the brown Chevy pickup and the "arrest and detention" of three Pakistani gentlemen, two separate events, in my opinion, but both connected to the bombing.
The Oklahoma City Bombing and the Politics of Terror
Five blocks south of the Murrah Building, at Robinson and Main, Kay H. had just raced out of her office. As she stepped on to the meridian, she was nearly run over as the brown pick-up came careening around the corner. The near miss gave her an opportunity to get a good look at the occupants.
"The driver — I made eye contact with him," recalled Kay. "He looked like he was in his twenties — late twenties. [He] had an angry look on his face. I'll never forget the look on his face. It just was full of hate and anger. It really struck me, because everyone else — people were coming out and they looked scared and confused, and he just looked full of anger."[560]
Kay recalled that two of the three people in the truck were Middle-Easterners. When she was shown photos, she picked out the Iraqi — the same one seen with McVeigh — as the driver.
David Snider, the Bricktown worker who had spotted one of the Ryder trucks that morning, ran outside after the bomb went off, and saw the brown pick-up as it flew past. "They were doing about 60 mph," recalled Snider. "They turned north and headed over the Walnut Street Bridge."[561]
An all-points-bulletin (APB) was quickly put out on the pick-up:
Dispatcher: "Be on the lookout for a late model almost new Chevrolet full-size pick-up — full size pickup brown pick-up. Will be brown in color with tinted windows — brown in color with tinted windows. Smoke colored bug deflector on the front of pick-up."
"…Middle-Eastern males 25-28 years of age, six feet tall, athletic build, Dark hair and a beard — dark hair and a beard. Break."
Officer: "Ok, Is this good information, or do we not really know?"
Dispatcher: "Authorization FBI."[562]
Strangely, the FBI canceled the APB several hours later, refusing to say why and demanding that it not be rebroadcast. When KPOC's David Hall asked the FBI why they canceled it, they denied ever putting it out. But when Hall played back his copy for the FBI man, he suddenly had "no comment."[563][564]
Soon after, Brad Edwards received a tip that the pick-up had been seen several times before the bombing at Sahara Properties (not its real name), a real-estate business in northwest Oklahoma City. The owner of Sahara Properties, an Israeli-born Palestinian named Sam Khalid (not his real name), was the Iraqi's employer.[565]*
Not long after KFOR's reports began airing, the Iraqi sued the station, then held a press conference claiming that he was not a suspect in the bombing, and that he had a solid alibi for the morning of April 19. His name was Hussain al-Hussaini, and he was at work, he said, painting a garage on NW 31 Street. Yet Alvin Devers, a neighbor interviewed by Davis, claimed no one was working on the house that day. "I didn't see anybody," said Devers. "I'd remember…."
In addition, Hussaini's co-worker, Ernie Cranfield, said Hussaini's alibi for the morning of April 19 — a time sheet stating he was at work at 8:08 a.m. — was patently false. Cranfield told Davis that Hussaini was working at a different house by 10:00 a.m., six blocks away, but wasn't there at 8:30 a.m.
"They was out there acting like they was painting on that garage all morning," Cranfield told me. "They didn't know I was already there before.…"[566]
Moreover, according to Cranfield, Sahara Properties doesn't use time sheets: "They use a time clock. They started about five months ago — five, six months ago… I've seem them clocking in every morning." Davis later learned that Khalid's daughter Heather had concocted Hussaini's "time sheet" at the request of her father.[567]
OKC's Middle Eastern Connection
Early in the Oklahoma bombing investigation, The New American obtained a copy of the sworn affidavit of FBI Special Agent Henry C. Gibbons (dated April 20, 1995) relaying the testimony of an eyewitness near the scene of the explosion who "saw two individuals running from the area of the Federal Building toward a brown Chevrolet truck prior to the explosion." "The individuals," says the FBI affidavit, "were described as males, of possible Middle Eastern descent, approximately 6 feet tall, with athletic builds. One of the persons was further described as approximately 25-26 years old, having dark hair and a beard. The second person was described as approximately 35-38 years old, with dark hair and a dark beard with gray in it. The second person was further described as wearing blue jogging pants, a black shirt and a black jogging jacket. A third person, not further identified, was believed to be in the brown Chevrolet truck."
The eyewitness testimony used for Agent Gibbons’ affidavit, together with testimony on April 19th from other eyewitnesses, provided the basis for the FBI’s All Points Bulletin which was picked up and played by local radio and television stations. That APB stated:
Be on the lookout for a late model, almost new, Chevrolet, full-size pickup. It will be brown in color with tinted windows, smoke-colored bug deflector on the front of pickup … middle eastern male, 25 to 28 years of age, six feet tall, athletic build, dark hair and a beard.... driver of the vehicle was not identified. Subjects were last seen heading north on Walker at a high rate of speed.... Authorization FBI.
A follow-up APB printout that this writer obtained from the Oklahoma Highway Patrol was issued at 2:28 p.m. on April 19th. It stated:
Attempt to locate possible suspects and vehicle involved in bombing Oklahoma City 04/19/95 0900 hrs.... Use extreme caution … Stop and check all vehicles matching the following description: Blue small to medium size GM product possible Chevrolet Cavalier or Blazer. Vehicle may be a rental car from National Car Rental Systems DFW [Dallas-Fort Worth] Texas. Possible tag of PTF54F Texas. Suspect information: Occupied by Middle Eastern male subject or subjects....
But without explanation (then, or to this day), the FBI pulled the Mideast APB on the afternoon of April 19th. The Dallas Morning News reported on April 21st that federal agents had searched a Dallas apartment just before midnight on the 19th, seized several duffel bags, and taken several boxes from the building. It reported further that three men of Middle Eastern descent were questioned in Dallas and Oklahoma City in connection with the apartment search. The men, it said, were riding in a Chevy Blazer or Suburban, but the license plate of their vehicle was traced instead to a Chevrolet Cavalier that had been rented at Dallas-Fort Worth International Airport by one of the men, a resident of New York City who was from Lahore, Pakistan.
Nothing more was ever reported concerning the men, the search, or the vehicles. But on the following day, April 20th, Special Agent Gibbons’ affidavit on the Middle East suspects was sworn before U.S. Judge Ronald L. Howland seeking a warrant to detain one Abraham Ahmad, who had left Oklahoma City for Amman, Jordan less than two hours after the bombing.
"At approximately 10:43 a.m. on April 19, 1995, an American Airlines flight left Oklahoma City en route to Chicago, Illinois," says the Gibbons affidavit. "Aboard that flight was Abraham Abdallah Ahmed [sic]. Ahmed was scheduled to fly from Chicago to Rome, Italy and finally to Jordan." However, American Airlines personnel in Oklahoma City thought that Ahmad was "acting nervous" and called the airline’s national security office.
Ahmad was interviewed by the FBI in Chicago, while his luggage continued on a connecting flight to Rome, where it was searched by Italian officials. They discovered, said the FBI affidavit, "a) multiple car radios; b) a substantial quantity of shielded and unshielded wire; c) a small tool kit and other tools, consistent with use for both explosive devices and normal electronic repair or installation; d) blue jogging pants...." Agent Gibbons’ affidavit, remember, described the suspects as wearing blue jogging pants.
"LG"
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