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Upgrades To Bring A-10 Into 21st Century
Defense Week | June 24, 2002 | Ron Laurenzo

Posted on 06/24/2002 7:43:50 AM PDT by Stand Watch Listen

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To: Stand Watch Listen
Visited Tucson recently, saw a number of "Warthogs" (at least 30) mothballed at Davis Monthan AFB. Looks like they may be spared the scrap yard.
21 posted on 06/24/2002 11:44:11 AM PDT by BluH2o
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To: Stand Watch Listen
Here is a tank on the recipient end of the 30mm!


22 posted on 06/24/2002 11:57:08 AM PDT by RIGHT IN SEATTLE
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23 posted on 06/24/2002 12:07:11 PM PDT by Stand Watch Listen
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To: Feckless
Don't forget this blast from the past, either! During WW II, some German Stuka dive bombers were equipped with a 37mm gun for tank busting. At the battle of Kursk one group of such aircraft destroyed nearly 60 Red Army tanks.
24 posted on 06/24/2002 12:13:23 PM PDT by 17th Miss Regt
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To: 17th Miss Regt
"the raw power of the largest, most powerful cannon ever mounted in an aircraft, the 30 mm GAU-8 Avenger Gatling gun..."

All the (accurate) references to 105, 40, 37, (there was even a 3incher tried out in B-25 if I remember correctly), guns as being more powerful skip the changes in technology that make the original quote true.

Count the barrels, note the description of a sound "like a zipper", remember that this is where all that depleated uranium came from (to penetrate tanks); that mother creates an absence of solid things like few others, and none of those mentioned, could pretend to.

25 posted on 06/24/2002 1:08:53 PM PDT by norton
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To: Stand Watch Listen
One of the best "moves" on defense in years!
26 posted on 06/24/2002 1:11:40 PM PDT by lawdog
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To: Lee'sGhost
A small group of AF and Army officers had to scream, shout and generally raise a huge fuss about the initial decision in 1990 to not deploy the A-10 to the build-up for Desert Storm. The technophiles and whiz-bang guys in the blue suits could not see past their collective political brown noses in their announcement that the A-10 was a platform without a mission. Now that the Soviet armored forces were not going to be coming through the Fulda Gap in the heartland of Germany and Europe the A-10 had nothing to do.

These political generals, these perfumed princes soundly in the pockets of the aero-industry and high tech vendors were determined to relegate the the A-10 to minor Air Guard units, primarily to allow for the obtaining of required flight time or, in the alternative, to give the airplane to the Army. If the latter, the AF officers flying the bird and the crews keeping it flyable were going to be given the option of changing services or changing aerial platform communities. Neither of these "Hobson Choices" would have been acceptable or feasible.

Of course, that would have put the Army back into the jet flying business, something both prohibited by law and anathema to AF brass. Such a move, even if permitted by Congress (itself a doubtful move), would have been a bad military decision of monumental proportions and even worse public policy.

Once the aircraft arrived in Saudi, the A-10 went on to prove itself a valuable low-intensity conflict weapons and killing platform. It isn't going to win any air-to-air victories although it will make hostile troop carrier or offensive choppers who venture out wish they'd stayed at the Officers Club drinking beer and enjoying a good cigar--or whatever our rag-headed enemy pilots do at their O clubs.

The A-10's loitering time and lethality will be among the most valuable tools in our armament inventory during the forseeable continuation of the asymmetrical hostilities in which we are now involved. The F-15, F-16, F-14 and F-18 along with the use of B-52s in their respective tactical roles (asymmetic conflict is blessed with few strategic targets) are excellent tools for interdiction and elimination of the enemy's ability to fight on the ground. Those high-performance fighters do the same for an enemy's inability to use the air. The A-10 in its vehicle and troop killing role at the van of the enemy's forces is the quintessential weapon to deliver the "in terrorem" effect that so effectively eliminates an opposing force's very important will to fight. A combat force lacking will and motivation is reduced to a large body of dead men walking.

A conflict in which the enemy is deprived of its supply and logistical pipeline, command and control, and is also information-starved cannot conduct orderly or efficient operations. Being thus reduced to essentially an isolated force of those combatants having to rely on only the fighting tools on hand, a morale and incentive killer like the A-10 quickly destroys any remnants of a disorganized and headless fighter's will. And, while this rapid reduction occurs much quicker in a van composed largely of conscripts such as the Iraqi regular forces, it will also occur in even the most dedicated and fervent ideological fighter over a relatively short time.

Faced with the knowledge that resupply, replacement and logistical support is not going to happen and that the on-coming force of Americans, British and other allies is well equiped, well fed, well led, not exhausted because of close battlefield delivery by tactical air and motor transport and possessed of close air support by A-10s and interdiction air forces, even the most zealous warriors will be rendered irrelevant and an ineffective fighting force rapidly. It's the Air Force A-10 (and Army offensive choppers) that become the force of dis-equalization and dis-proportion in that senario. Thus we have the realization of the admonition attributed to General George Patton about allowing the other poor SOB to die for his cause or ideology.

The A-10 modernization and battlefield enhancement program should be not only a net money saving efficiency, but also an always welcome net gain in lethality and extension of an airframe that has a cadre of well trained flight and ground crews as well as a proven and established training and operational syllabus.

27 posted on 06/24/2002 1:12:30 PM PDT by middie
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To: 17th Miss Regt
Hans Rudel, the famous Stuka pilkot destroyed 530 Russian tanks with the 37mm.

We patterned much of our A-10 policies after him. Col. Rudel visited our country 5 times and sat in seminar,for a week each time, with a small group of very high ranking defense planners.

Godspeed, The Dilg

28 posted on 06/24/2002 1:36:29 PM PDT by thedilg
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To: 17th Miss Regt
Don't get me wrong.... I have a deep appreciation for all things Air Force and the A10 in particular. From my first day at Al Khafji I noted the relationship between the decreasing number of incoming rounds (Ruskie 122 and SA 105) with the number of outgoing A10's and Jarhead Cobras.
29 posted on 06/24/2002 1:37:10 PM PDT by Feckless
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To: Stand Watch Listen
Lockheed Martin Systems Integration, Owego, N.Y., is the primary contractor for the A-10 Precision Engagement Modification, as the upgrade is known...makes me wonder how hillary will vote....
30 posted on 06/24/2002 1:42:12 PM PDT by Bill Davis FR
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To: norton
"Count the barrels, note the description of a sound "like a zipper", remember that this is where all that depleated uranium came from (to penetrate tanks); that mother creates an absence of solid things like few others, and none of those mentioned, could pretend to."

Dang right! Depending on whether the pilot chooses single or double hydraulic motor drive on the old Gau, the firing rate is either 2500 or a skosh over 4500 rounds per minute! Projectiles weigh 13 ounces and they leave the barrel at about 3300 fps!

31 posted on 06/24/2002 2:04:59 PM PDT by nightdriver
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To: middie
Nice summary. Thanks.
32 posted on 06/25/2002 4:41:25 AM PDT by Lee'sGhost
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To: Stand Watch Listen
"The Air Force plans to keep the A-10, which was first deployed in 1976, in service until 2028."

When they take them out of service, can I have one?

33 posted on 06/25/2002 4:50:04 AM PDT by BlueLancer
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To: Stand Watch Listen
One heck of a good attack plane.

First time I ever saw one on TV they did a slow-motion shot of an old tank on a target range. Those 30mm slugs were going right through it and it was melting from the induced heat.

34 posted on 06/25/2002 4:56:43 AM PDT by LibKill
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To: Stand Watch Listen
A friend recently bought a remanufactured Yak 52. It's a two seat trainer/acrobatic plane from the old USSR fleet. His was built in '82.

He bought his in Romania where it was taken apart, re-engineered and remanufactured. They pluck off the wings and send them, two at a time in a container to Vermont where the wings are put back on.

My friend decided to fly his home to NC. All was well until he got near the DC airspace. Did I mention it was painted like a war bird? with Russian stars?

He glanced up out of the bubble canopy when a shadow passed over him and saw the ugly belly of an A-10, glancing down he saw another under his little Yak.

He had neglected to tune his radio to the correct freq and they were checking him out.


35 posted on 06/25/2002 5:08:50 AM PDT by TC Rider
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To: LibKill
Those 30mm slugs were going right through it and it was melting from the induced heat.

The AC-130 may carry bigger-calibre cannon, but in terms of kinetic-energy-on-target-per-second, the Warthog is pretty impressive

36 posted on 06/25/2002 5:48:40 AM PDT by SauronOfMordor
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