Westerfield Trial-Weekend Edition

[demsux]

Ignoring the shell casing is like the prosectution saying, "Oh yeah, there was a ladder against the house at the child's window, but we don't think that was the method of entry...

[Karson]

Maybe it was a normal procedure at the Van Dam house to leave wet towels and throwrugs in the washer.

Do you remember who it was that testified to the towels and rugs in the washer? I missed that part. TIA

[Karson]

I wonder how the VDs would explain a shell casing being found in their child's room? Are they still subject to recall?

[Freedom2specul8]

Yeah, that's understanble. I just wanted to address some great points you brought up in #35..

[Freedom2specul8]

I wonder why the defense didn't ask them about that casing! I hadn't even thought about it.

[NatureGirl]

Gosh, I can't remember. It came up this week - I'd have to check the transcripts. I thought it might have been Dorie Savage, but I can't seem to find that.

[Karson]

Lack of foundation? The evidence tech had not testified yet.

[Freedom2specul8]

Ok, that's gotta be it! How did we find out about it though? Not in testimony?

[jdontom]

I wonder why the defense didn't ask them about that casing! I hadn't even thought about it.

My 2 cents = It is still an ongoing investigation. for get it My 2 cents stink.

[Karson]

Feldman brought it out during the cross exam of Dorie Savage or the other tech ... what's her name?
Sheesh! I usta have a memory. :-(

[Freedom2specul8]

Maybe feldman didn't find out about it until after his opening statement..I have to ask why he didn't bring it up during opening, if he knew...so he could ask the VD's.

jdontom, no your 2 cents did not stink...I think you and Karson solved the dilemma.. no one knew about it prior to opening statements and it's still an ongoing investigation...

[Rheo]

Karen Lealcala, I believe

[NatureGirl]

The cops said that normally, people dont' point things out

And what do they mean by "normally"? If there were a serious crime committed in my area, something that could have been done by someone like me, and the police wanted to search and ask questions, I would make darned sure that they had every last little scrap of info that showed it couldn't have been me. Why? Because I would want them to "take me off their list" right away. Why? Two reasons - I know that I haven't done it, and I would want them to get on with finding who did it.

Have you ever had to defend yourself against an unjust accusation? I have (in a personal sense, not a court sense). Let me tell you - even saying outright that you haven't done what you're accused of becomes "proof" that you did it, if that's what the person wants to hear.

[Freedom2specul8]

Looks like it was savage...I did a search over at websleuths.

"Not sure what this is about, but Feldman is cross examing Darie Savage and asking her about a "gun casing" that was found in Danielle's bedroom near the closet." See post #19
http://www.websleuths.com/dcf/DCForumID4/683.html

[ValerieUSA]

Child porn is not a victimless crime, and it isn't a harmless hobby for collectors. Where do those pictures come from?

Seattle Times - Tacoma man tortured, raped child, say prosecutors
TACOMA — A 24-year-old Tacoma man charged with child pornography also raped, molested and tortured a 5-year-old boy he baby-sat, Pierce County prosecutors say. And they say his list of victims may not end there.
Neil Grenning was charged in March with first-degree child rape and in April with 20 felony counts of possessing child porn. On Thursday, prosecutors added another 42 counts: 16 counts of child rape, 22 counts of sexual exploitation of a minor, three counts of child molestation and one count of second-degree assault of a child with sexual motivation. The new child-rape charges superseded the original one filed in March.
Prosecutors say the bulk of the evidence against Grenning consists of tens of thousands of images found on his computer.
Grenning, a waiter and photographer who graduated from Pacific Lutheran University, was arrested after the boy's mother reported that Grenning had taken nude photos of him.
He pleaded not guilty to the new charges Thursday and is being held at the county jail in lieu of $5 million cash bail. He has no criminal record.

[NatureGirl]

Phew! That time already! I'll be back here sometime tomorrow afternoon.

Good night.

[skipjackcity]

" Nail guns for wood use high pressure air. They still can hurt you very badly...They've only got a few days to go. They need to find more real evidence.....the smoking gun!....What are you saying, the smoking nail gun?

[fnord]

are you implying DW is a homosexual pedophile? or what?

[Freedom2specul8]

http://www.webbsleuths.org/cgi-bin/dcforum/dcboard.cgi?az=show_thread&om=27&forum=DCForumID8&omm=13&viewmode=threaded

11 IS WHERE THE CARTRIDGE CASE WAS FOUND THAT YOU
DON'T RECALL

12 SEEING THE FIRST TIME THROUGH. ISN'T IT IN A LOCATION
WHERE YOU

13 LIKELY WOULD HAVE SEEN IT HAD IT BEEN THERE YOUR
FIRST TIME

14 THROUGH.

15 MR. CLARKE: OBJECTION, CALLS FOR SPECULATION.

16 THE COURT: OVERRULED.

17 YOU CAN ANSWER.

18 THE WITNESS: I CERTAINLY WOULD HAVE SEEN IT.

19

20 BY MR. FELDMAN:

21 Q. AND YOU DIDN'T DROP IT THERE BECAUSE YOU DON'T
WALK

22 AROUND WITH SHELL CASINGS, DO YOU?

23 A. NO.

24 Q. TO THE BEST OF YOUR KNOWLEDGE, LAW
ENFORCEMENT

25 DIDN'T DROP IT BECAUSE THEY DON'T WALK AROUND
WITH SHELL

26 CASINGS, DO THEY?

27 A. I HAVE NO IDEA.

28 Q. WHAT IS A SHELL CASING?
5318
1 A. A SHELL CASING IS WHAT'S LEFT AFTER A GUN HAS BEEN

2 FIRED. IT'S THE PORTION THAT'S EJECTED FROM A GUN, A
PORTION OF

3 THE BULLET. MOST PEOPLE CALL THEM BULLETS. WE HAVE
TO BREAK IT

4 DOWN AND GIVE EACH PART OF THE BULLET A DIFFERENT
NAME. SO

5 THAT'S THE PART OF THE BULLET THAT HELD THE GUN
POWDER AND

6 PUSHED THE LITTLE MISSILE OUT, SO THAT'S WHAT'S LEFT.

[ValerieUSA]

I'm suggesting that the presence of child porn on his computer is a sign that he has no regard for the safety and innocence and lives of children, and as a consumer and voyeur he supports their abuse. Some people seem to think the child porn is of no significance.