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One Reporter's Opinion: 'Do We Want 'Mexifornia'?'
NewsMax.com ^ | Friday, June 21, 2002 | George Putnam

Posted on 06/21/2002 9:24:18 AM PDT by One_American

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To: tdadams
Emigrantes en su propia tierra

The guys who are promoting the idea that Mexico still has a legitimate claim to the SW US, such as Armando Navarro, do not represent any serious point of view in either the US or Mexico. Therefor, at one level, to treat those guys as if they were worthy of attention is mistaken.

At the same time, as you notice, these guys are truly evil. If they were serious, then what? Violence? Insurgency? War?

This is one of the several things about the Left that is so evil. They promote ideas that are not serious; anyone who acts upon those ideas brings death and destruction upon themselves and to their victims. In fact, anyone who buys into the victimology winds up stewing in misery, and throwing their lives away for nothing.

As I mentioned earlier, Navarro is a US academic, a leftist professor. He gets paid taxpayer dollars to fill young minds with this bilge.

61 posted on 06/21/2002 5:04:29 PM PDT by marron
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To: One_American
Hey, DUHmbya is all for this too. He won't protect the border due to "cultural and historical" reasons.

The GOP is as complicit as the Democrats in the open border/illegal immigration problem.
64 posted on 06/21/2002 6:04:33 PM PDT by GuillermoX
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To: One_American
Hey, DUHmbya is all for this too. He won't protect the border due to "cultural and historical" reasons.

The GOP is as complicit as the Democrats in the open border/illegal immigration problem.
65 posted on 06/21/2002 6:06:07 PM PDT by GuillermoX
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To: Blue Monk
Hey Joe, I was just kidding around. I love So. Cal., and still live there part of the year,

I know, I understand, it's just when I hear people talk like this massive invasion is limited or isolated to California or it's just a south west U.S. problem, I feel compelled to point out this this immigration "free for all" has gone nationwide in a big way.

"Hey Joe, where are you going to run to now?"

And damn good song too.

"Where you going with that gun in your hand"....

Don't ask.....

66 posted on 06/21/2002 7:06:35 PM PDT by Joe Hadenuf
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To: Twodees
Why did 100% of them vote for Bush? Are you trying to make a joke?

They voted for Bush because I knocked on their doors and talked to them in a freindly manner. They happen to be pro-life, pro-death penalty, pro-2d amendment. And they don't like to pay taxes. (Who does?) But that is not why they voted for Bush. They voted for Bush because I was friendly to them....and Bush and Fox are friendly. Remember, in the Mexican's view Fox and PAN are pro-life, small business Republican. PRI is Democrat. PRD is Nader Green Socialist.

BTW, I do not profile. I knock on everybody's door: Democrat, white liberal, Catholic, Protestant, Muslim (Yes, in my area they also are conservative Republican but caught between two different factions of conservatives split over personalities, not issues.) I estimate 20% of Blacks voted for Bush in my lower middle class suburban area of union members and hamburger flippers. No doubt about it, in my area, the white liberals are the problem.

The Illinois Republican governor candidate has been hostile to Hispanics. I will not be able to deliver for him. Bush and Fox have given the Republicans a window of opportunity. Texas and Florida might make the most of it. That window of opportunity may never again occur.

Twenty years from now people will look back and ask, "How could those Republicans in Illinois, Colorado (Tancredo) and California be so stupid?" The Supreme court won't allow capital punishment for the stupid. But us stupid people sure can commit suicide.

68 posted on 06/21/2002 10:03:06 PM PDT by spintreebob
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To: The Vast Right Wing
Tell me one conservative that was involved in overturning Prop 187, I'm not saying that there weren't any, I just don't know of them.

Jack Kemp, Bill Bennett, and George W. Bush all gave aid and comfort to the Illegals in 1994 by opposing #187.

They helped create the atmosphere of hand-wringing has haunted the GOP on Illegals since then, and thus emboldened the Democrats in their treachery.




69 posted on 06/21/2002 10:15:06 PM PDT by Sabertooth
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To: marron
At the same time, as you notice, these guys are truly evil. If they
were serious, then what? Violence? Insurgency? War?

Nothing to see here, just go on back to sleep.

70 posted on 06/21/2002 10:27:44 PM PDT by itsahoot
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To: marron
Therefor, at one level, to treat those guys as if they were worthy of attention is mistaken.

True, at this point, this is nothing more than a few vocal rabble-rousers playing demogogue politics.

But to underestimate the appeal of their movement among Mexicans would be a mistake. When you combine that with changing demographics that will put Mexicans in a position of majority in Southwestern states in 20 to 30 years or sooner, this is not something we can afford to just dismiss.

71 posted on 06/22/2002 5:23:26 AM PDT by tdadams
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To: Joe Hadenuf
Sources also say that illegal aliens are coming from other states which still have the old "valid social security number" law.

No need to refer to the vague "sources" here. This Tennessean can tell you the last time I had my license renewed, I was appalled. The place looked like the Tiajuana unemployment office.

As I made an effort to look at whatever papers I could, I saw some Mexicans holding documents from Texas, Mississippi, Alabama, Pennsylvania, and New York... all of them now getting a Tennessee driver's license.

What was that saying about the road to hell...?

72 posted on 06/22/2002 5:29:22 AM PDT by tdadams
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To: GuillermoX
The GOP is as complicit as the Democrats in the open border/illegal immigration problem.

And as much of a unabashed capitalist as I am, I think corporate America bears a lot of the blame. Looking out for your bottom line is one thing, but facilitating your country's suicide is another. It's almost on par with treason and sedition.

Tyson Foods is one primary culprit. They opened a chicken processing plant in Shelbyville, TN. The population of Shelbyville went from about 20,000 to 40,000 in the last 8 years. Almost all of the new residents were illegal Mexicans working for Tyson. The carpet factories in Dalton, GA are another big culprit.

I think a necessary step in fighting this invasion is naming those corporations that are hiring illegals and bring public scrutiny bearing down on them. Let them know we won't do business with companies that support and facilitate the invasion of our country.

73 posted on 06/22/2002 5:40:28 AM PDT by tdadams
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To: gubamyster
Thanks for the pointer to the CIS. Good source, it seems. We have a Libertarian bed wetter at work who keeps repeating the "illegals generate more in taxes than they take in services" mantra. Of course, the fact that they 1) don't pay income taxes or Social Security, and 2) they send the lion's share of what they make back to Mexico thoroughly escapes him. Of course, he's the type who, in the face of overwhelming arguments against him, simply folds his arms, backs into the corner, drops his head and starts repeating "no...you're just wrong". Therefore, he'll never admit when he's beaten. Anyway, thanks for the info, bro. Welcome aboard!

Scouts Out! Cavalry Ho!

74 posted on 06/22/2002 6:05:53 AM PDT by wku man
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To: Destructor
(((What they don't realize is that once the illegals get here in great enough numbers, and receive "amnesty" they will start electing their own. Being a Liberal won't be enough to get you elected anymore. )))

It could be that the left wants to start another very profitable ethnic conflict, and collect the pieces as they fly.

75 posted on 06/22/2002 6:15:22 AM PDT by Mamzelle
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To: tdadams
"Most Mexicans who come to the U.S. are simply looking for a better life. They don't realize they're being used by the shrewd, intelligent Mexican elites who are belligerently pushing for a reconquest of America, in the area they call Aztlan."

So they're the "useful idiots" of the Reconquistas. That doesn't change the fact that those who illegally enter our country are criminals right off the bat, and from there they're a drain on our resources. I don't care how bad someone's life is in Mexico, if they want into our nation, they'd doggone well better follow the rules we've laid down to do it. After all, I want to improve my life, but I'm not gonna break into peoples' homes and rip them off in order to do it.

Though I don't buy into the "we're a nation of immigrants" crap (heck, I was born here, as were my family for several generations back, my girlfriend's family for several generations back, etc.), I don't mind folks legally immigrating. If a Mexican family wants to come here legally, learn the language, be productive, pay taxes, assimilate into our culture, and become citizens of the United States of America, I'll welcome them with open arms.

Scouts Out! Cavalry Ho!

76 posted on 06/22/2002 6:21:55 AM PDT by wku man
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To: wku man
So they're the "useful idiots" of the Reconquistas.

Yes, they are the useful idiots, and when the Aztlan leaders decide it's time to mobilize, I'm afraid they'll be right on board.

That doesn't change the fact that those who illegally enter our country are criminals right off the bat

Check my posting history... you'll see you're preaching to the choir.

Though I don't buy into the "we're a nation of immigrants" crap

As the son of a legal immigrant (from Nazi Germany), I don't think that's crap! But like you said, if you come here, it should be legally and you should renounce any loyalty to your nation of birth and become an assimilated American citizen. My mother speaks better English, with no accent, than many millions who were born here.

77 posted on 06/22/2002 6:34:33 AM PDT by tdadams
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To: tdadams
No need to refer to the vague "sources" here. This Tennessean can tell you the last time I had my license renewed, I was appalled. The place looked like the Tijuana unemployment office.

Thanks for that. We have good friends and family from Georgia, to Washington, to Ohio. The same is happening everyhere. 10 years ago, this invasion was predominantly limited or isolated to the southwest United States. This is no longer the case. I can only hope, America will stir from it's very deep sleep.

78 posted on 06/22/2002 10:58:43 AM PDT by Joe Hadenuf
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To: tdadams
I didn't mean to come across sounding accusatory, bro. I know you're one of the good guys. Pass along to your folks that I'm proud to have them as countrymen.

Scouts Out! Cavalry Ho!

79 posted on 06/22/2002 5:51:17 PM PDT by wku man
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To: Joe Hadenuf
Legal Immigration vs Illegal Immigration.

My experince has been people who go the the expense and
trouble of legally gaining residence in this country are
just as upset to illegals.

80 posted on 06/23/2002 5:49:26 AM PDT by Greeklawyer
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