Posted on 06/21/2002 5:06:37 AM PDT by brityank
"You (the federal government) have mismanaged these federal lands, which lie within our state boundaries,"
Then Destructor, you state:
"Under Clinton the government engaged in one of the biggest land grabs in U.S. History"
Article I, Section 8, Section 17, U.S. Constitution states:
"To exercise exclusive legislation in all cases whatsoever,...over all places purchased by the consent of the legislature of the state..."
It seems to me the ultimate blame for federal "land grabs" and mismanagement of "federal lands" falls squarely on the shoulders of the citizens of the states that elected legislators who consented to the purchase of sovereign state land by our federal government.
Thank you my friends, I'm flattered, but PLEASE no more emails, celcall, wirephone, about 4x4 vigilante.
"It was, we are going to make the forest environment safe for people. We are going to do our best to eliminate fire from the forest. Because fire isn't needed, so we will be better off if we just do our best to get rid of it.""They didn't think it through," Arno said. "They didn't understand these beautiful wildland forests."
They did not know that in a forest, as in an heirloom clock, you cannot remove even one gear, he said. "Because you take that one gear out and funny thing is, the clock doesn't work anymore."
"Fire was the rejuvenating force in our forests, and we took it away," he said. "But the choice was not ours to make. Fire will return to this landscape."
The actions taken that have shut down forestry and logging, the 'Roadless Initiative', the 'Wildlands Projects', and the other watermelon actions placing nature over man have exacerbated the damage and range these wildfires cover.
As I understand it as settlers moved in to the South in the late 1700's and early 1800's the the forests were largely burned over, not like the hills of green we see to day. So it looks like the woods of the west are returning to their natural state.
TR inherited a problem. FDR brought us massive national programmes to fix it. Then it was a problem from the Program for America's Forests of the 1950s. Now it's a problem because of AlGore/Clinton/Babbit. All I hear on these threads is whining about Federal mismanagement. It's symptomatic of a systemic problem, intrinsic to socialism: the managing agent has no motive, means, or accountability to provide detailed, productive, and diverse methods of habitat management to the limits of technology. It's a product the public wants and a government monopoly can't seem to deliver. In fact, as government ownership fails, funding increases; witness the two billion dollars Babbit got from Clinton after the seven million acres they burned in 2000. Wait until they learn about the scope of their weed problem!
So why aren't we talking about doing something about it? A free market system is ready for trials, there is an implementation strategy. Free citizens should not be asking for permission to fix this mess; we should be taking the contract because the managing agent is blowing it. So, how do we organize that? Isn't anybody interested?
You don't understand it. What happens after a stand replacing fire is a blast of even aged juveniles and (here's the part most people don't get) WEEDS. The problem is, that aggressive exotics, once established, are PERMANENT. They completely alter the habitat. Consider knapweed (now infesting large areas of Montana and Idaho). The plant dries out the surface and dries up streams over summer. It puts out a pre-emergent that prevents natives from re-establishing. That loss of groundcover accelerates erosion over 130%. Those plants requiring regular regeneration can eventually go extinct. Each knapweed plant produces thousands of seeds that spread on the wind and remain viable for ten years. It is resistive to low doses of herbicides and those that are available (such as Transline) cost $500 a gallon. Exotics are very expensive to eradicate, often requiring efforts that extend across huge areas and detailed management for as much as a century. A fire creates an open growing medium for weed transmission and little vegetation in the way of wind propagation over large distances. There is no "recovery" as you "understand it."
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Or perhaps the other way around. Thank you.
I think the interest is there; the problem is we all have teaspoons -- 'they' have all the huge bucket-loaders.
Natural ecosystems are competitive. At any given point, some solutions are going to be more successful than others. The reason biodiversity is so important is that the conditions under which species compete are based upon selection under variable conditions. If the circumstances change, the strong may fail and the weak may suddenly prosper.I don't think the strong have failed - yet - but the current actions of our elected officials in pandering to the false God of democracy is undermining this Republic and its precepts. Until we can revere those precepts, and reverse the Marxist socialism that is the mainstay of democracy, our teaspoons on the outside will only make us tired. We need to find a way to undermine the underpinnings that Agenda 21 is foisting across the land. JMHO.
That is what I am doing. To implement the system doesn't require any action by government at all.
Goodbye, again.
http://www.ext.nodak.edu/extpubs/plantsci/weeds/w842w.htm
Spotted knapweed is an aggressive, introduced weed species that rapidly invades pasture, rangeland and fallow land and causes a serious decline in forage and crop production. The weed is a prolific seed producer with 1000 or more seeds per plant. Seed remains viable in the soil five years or more, so infestations may occur a number of years after vegetative plants have been eliminated. Spotted knapweed has few natural enemies and is consumed by livestock only when other vegetation is unavailable. The plant releases a toxin that reduces growth of forage species. Areas heavily infested with spotted knapweed often must be reseeded once the plant is controlled. Historical records indicate that spotted knapweed was introduced from Eastern Europe into North America in the early 1900s as a contaminant in crop seed. It now infests several million acres of grazing land in the northwestern United States and Canada.
Ignore my sarcasm.
We have Kudzo, but it dosn't burn like a furnace.
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