There is no conspiracy here: SLPD Press Conference (Elizabeth Smart abduction)

KSL Radio ^ | 6/19/2002

[r9etb]

People get up, go to the bathroom, go to the kitchen, etc., and hearing something like that while you're really asleep, or even half awake, wouldn't be a reason to jump out of bed and go see if something's wrong.

LOL -- Maybe for the siblings, probably not for the parents. When my kids move around like that at night, I nearly always wake up, even if they're being really quiet.

However looking at the layout, especially the Master Bedroom, I think it's entirely likely that people would be able to move about normally without being heard -- much less if they're trying to be quiet.

[GovernmentShrinker]

A group sounds highly improbable to me. But two people -- the instigator and accomplice -- is not unknown in kidnappings. Do you recall the Steve Stainer(sp?) case, which was later made into a TV movie? That involved an accomplice who the instigator had some kind of hold over.

[txrangerette]

The two cars at the hospital could be
connected to this, yes. But the crime
has been placed in time to be AFTER
the cars were seen, not before. The
idea is they rendezvoused prior to it,
for some reason. Have no info link on
that--can anyone else verify?

[twigs]

Could be that what is meant is that while Edmunds WAS AT THE VIGIL, it is NOT his tag they are looking for, but the tag from the grey car that the milkman saw? Possible? YES!!

On Fox news over the weekend, a PI who looked into the case said that the license tag number made public was not Edmunds', or at least I think that is what he said b/c it was confusing, and that Edmunds was known to have had at least two earlier ones. The conversation was halted and it never returned to his comment. I think something is interesting about the license tags, just don't know what it is.

[ET(end tyranny)]

should have read

And by NOT giving the public FACTS you run the risk of having more false leads. Kind of a trade off!

[freedox]

"This investigation would be very, very difficult without Mary Katherine. She has provided us with a tremendous amount of information, and we're very appreciative of her," Dinse said. "I'm saying again, I believe we will resolve this case eventually, and Mary Katherine is a big part of doing that."

Based upon this statement, I suspect that the interviews with Mary Katherine have gone well beyond "what did you see that night?" From all accounts, it appears that Mary Katherine spent a great deal of time with Elizabeth......perhaps more than anyone else. I feel certain that this "tremendous amount of information" that she has shared covers a lot of territory. At any rate, the police seem pretty certain that her information has put them on the right track in solving this case.

[GovernmentShrinker]

As far as I know, the idea that it was a temporary arrangement is only speculation -- I've never seen it confirmed by police or parents, and seem to recall either police or parents indicating that it was not a temporary arrangement. The house has 7 bedrooms, and was housing 2 parents and 6 children, leading people to assume that the normal arrangement was for each child to have a bedroom, and the information about the renovation of the house led people to speculate further that the sharing arrangement might have been temporary.

If you saw the MLS listing for the house, which someone posted on a thread a few days ago, one "bedroom" was in the basement, one on the first floor, and the rest on the second floor. My guess is that the basement and/or first floor bedrooms had never been used as bedrooms by the family, but were being advertised as bedrooms since the SLC market would have a high demand for houses with many bedrooms.

[TheDon]

Wow! You deserve a Freeper medal!

For service above and beyond the call of duty.

[stlnative]

here is my theory on the Car Tags... Is it possible that the Milkman saw the gray/silver car in the neighborhood days before and wrote down the correct plate? We know from police that Edmunds steals plates off cars. Does Edmunds have access to 2 cars? Does he switch the plates on the cars? Or is possible that someone stole the plated off Edmunds green car and put them on the silver/gray car that was seen in the Smart neighborhood by the milkman. (this would be more logic as we know the plates were on Edmunds car, when the neighborhood man photographed the car right before Elizabeth disappeared. Maybe the police want Edmunds to find out when the plates disappeared from his green car. Where was the green car parked when the plates disappeared off it? Something to think about.... They are calling Edmunds a witness now. Was Edmunds a victim himself? Did someone steal the hot plates off Edmunds car and put them on the silver/gray car that the milkman saw in neighborhood. We do not know the exact date of when the photos were taken of Edmunds car with plates on them.

[Grig]

Overall I think this is press conf is VERY encouraging.

[ET(end tyranny)]

It's a golf type hat. What's so strange about a spring/summer type hat? Golf is played in the spring/summer/fall. What's odd is wearing it during winter! unless one lives in a perpetually warm place.

[stlnative]

read my post #89 on this thread... This may make some sense to you about the plates or what may have happened.

[GovernmentShrinker]

One thing we haven't heard any information about is how the length of the delay was determined. Did MK have the presence of mind to look at a clock and note the time of the abduction? Or is 2 hours her best guess of how long she waited? I tend to think the former, since I believe the official reports have been pretty consistent that it was approximately 2 hours (if anyone has seen any official info that steers clear of pinning down the time lapse, please do share!).

[ER_in_OC,CA]

Your suggestion of gloves which leave the back of the hand exposed is certainly possible, but less plausible than mine. You offer a more complicated theory rather than the simplest explanation.

It would further lead many to wonder why the gloves wouldn't be mentioned by police since someone possessing BOTH non-standard gloves AND wearing an out-of-style hat might lead a golf buddy or family member to tip the police.

[ET(end tyranny)]

I saw and heard the conference, and having seen the floorplan posted, MC was just across the hall from the parent's bedroom when she most likely saw the abductor for the second time. She obviously forgot what the abductor said when she tried to tell the parents the firs time.... soooooo why not wait for the perp to leave and them tell the parents immediately. She wasn't too afraid to make the first attempt. I only hope they have told her for future reference to tell them things immediately once things are safe, like when the perp had left. Two + hours is a lot of lost time.

She didn't lay in bed paralyzed with fear, she feigned sleep, that's cool, and she got up to tell the parent's, again this is not frozen with fear.

[per loin]

Yeah, that figures. I knew this sounded way to sensationalist the way the gossip-mongers were batting it around. So Edmunds DIDN'T show up at the vigil at all, they were simply looking for the plate at that time.

Do you include the Deseret News among the gossip-mongers. This from their site:

Police later spotted Edmunds at a Sunday night vigil for Elizabeth. Edmunds fled in his car after police attempted to pull him over. Police declined to give chase.

[exlibris]

Actually, I think the gloves and the hat go together quite well if you consider them in terms of a sports car enthusiast. Leather driving gloves do have the back of the hand exposed (and little open circles around the knuckles).

[ET(end tyranny)]

Depends on if the police are guarding the time as well other info. Early articles varied between the abduction occuring at 1am and at 2am, thus the window. I've read articles saying MC told the parent's just under two hours later, to 2 hours later to 2 + hours later.

Maybe just more ambiguity that the police didn't feel the media needed to be clear on?

[GovernmentShrinker]

Maybe she heard the threat while she was on her way to the parents' room -- maybe that's when she became paralyzed with fear. I don't think we've been told when she heard the threat, just that she did hear it and that it frightened her into waiting before telling the parents.

[SarahW]

NO, kangol is a generic name for a style of hat.