There is no conspiracy here: SLPD Press Conference (Elizabeth Smart abduction)

KSL Radio ^ | 6/19/2002

[Illbay]

Has it occurred to you that if YOU are wondering about these things, the perp is (uneasily) wondering about them too, and worried about what they might actually have gotten from Mary Catherine?

[GovernmentShrinker]

Interesting that they are confirming that they still think they have spoken to the abductor. That indicates that IF Elizabeth is still alive, the abductor would have to have her well-secured somewhere, such that he doesn't have to be with her constantly to keep her from escaping or making noise that would alert someone.

[Illbay]

This dark, hairy guy hates little blond angels, perhaps women in general, and wants to defile them.

Where in blue blinkin' blazes did THAT come from?

[ET(end tyranny)]

Suggests that MK probably saw them the second time when she was near the stairs, and the other two were by the front door.

That's my guess, too. What doesn't make sense is the waiting for 2 + hours to tell the parents. Elizabeth may have sat on the stairs to put on her shoes. So, why not wait for the them to leave, then run to the parent's room. Scared or not. Get back behind a wall and just wait a few minutes then take another peek to see if the coast is clear. That's what I did when I was 8 and we had strange goings on at our house one night. This waiting 2 + hours just doesn't make sense.

[stlnative]

Please just bypass the off the wall replies... If they get no reply or attention maybe they will just go away.

[Utah Girl]

Yesterday, one of the uncles said they didn't think it was a family member who did this, the family didn't think it was a psychopathic stranger who took Elizabeth, but they felt perhaps it was someone in the area who had a fixation on Elizabeth.

And not to be too crass here, but many girls like Elizabeth can be found here in Utah.

[ET(end tyranny)]

I still want to know about the silver (perhaps the grey) car in the hospital parking lot. The person behaved oddly, flashing lights on and off, then once another car arrived there, they both sped off. If these are connected the second car may have had Elizabeth in it, with the abductor. Just a possibility, but its funny the first car was described as silver and could be the grey one the milkman saw.

[OldFriend]

My hubby and his brother wear type of this hat.....in the winter. Very strange indeed to be wearing this in the summer..

I'm still wondering about the 'uncle'.

[GovernmentShrinker]

Quite possible, especially if there's plush carpeting along the entire route, and the house is well-constructed (i.e. doesn't have thin walls and no sound insulation). Also, keep in mind that people normally sleep through types of noise that they are accustomed to hearing at night. In a home with 2 adults and 6 children, the sound of someone tip-toeing up and down the stairs, and through the halls (trying not to wake up other family members) is ordinary background noise. People get up, go to the bathroom, go to the kitchen, etc., and hearing something like that while you're really asleep, or even half awake, wouldn't be a reason to jump out of bed and go see if something's wrong.

[stlnative]

Yes... it does not make sense to adult person, but to a scared 9 year old it does. Of course this child will grow older and have more of an understanding of what she could have done. But let's get past what should have been done, the child did what she did because she was scared and did not know at the time what she could have done. What done is done.

[r9etb]

What doesn't make sense is the waiting for 2 + hours to tell the parents.

Yes it does. I remember lying petrified in my bed one night because there was a "murderer" in the corner of my room (shadows on the curtain).

In this case, MK heard an actual threat of murder, and decided that the best thing to do would be to pretend to be asleep until he was gone.

This part of the story is completely believable.

[ET(end tyranny)]

The police looking for the tag number at the vigil, NOT Edmunds...

Could be that what is meant is that while Edmunds WAS AT THE VIGIL, it is NOT his tag they are looking for, but the tag from the grey car that the milkman saw? Possible? YES!!

[r9etb]

Where in blue blinkin' blazes did THAT come from?

If it's a rape/murder scenario, she's probably exactly right.

[Carolina]

ET,

Here is the thread where the car sighting at the hospital is discussed: Was car at hospital linked to Elizabeth?

[Utah Girl]

Dinse said today that Mary Katherine was on her way to tell her parents right after the abductor and Elizabeth left the bedroom. When she got in the hall, she saw the abductor and Elizabeth yet again. And remembering the fact that the abductor had threatened Elizabeth's life, Mary Catherine went back to bed and waited for two hours before she told her parents. Remember, this is a nine year old little girl, she didn't know how much longer the perp would be in the house, and she was afraid because of the threats. She probably waited an eternity to go tell her parents (or so it felt like to her.) The information about Mary Katherine seeing the abductor again, and going back to bed came from the press conference today, and that info came from interviews with her.

[mhking]

Quite possible, especially if there's plush carpeting along the entire route, and the house is well-constructed

No, I realize that -- I'm just pointing out that this is starting to head into territory that I don't think anyone wants to head toward.

This isn't an easy "solve it before the last commercial" kind of case. And I think that there is more than meets the eye to the seemingly conflicting stories that have been surfacing of late.

My guess is that the comparison will soon surface between this and the Ramsey case in some strange sort of way. Call me crazy...but you never know...

[ET(end tyranny)]

I initially heard, the first week or so, the father say on TV that they were sleeping in a room across the hall from him. I have no other confirmation than what he said that it is true.

That would fit from the layout posted. One would have to cross past the top entrance of the stairs to gain access to the master bedroom. This might have been difficult for MC to do IF Elizabeth were sitting on the lower step putting her shoes on and the abductor were facing Elizabeth, thus facing the top of the stairs, making MC need to wait for fear of detection, until after they left the house, which was probably momentarily.

[twigs]

if YOU are wondering about these things, the perp is (uneasily) wondering about them too, and worried about what they might actually have gotten from Mary Catherine?

Yes, I have. In fact, I would hope that MC is being watched carefully! I'm concerned that if this guy isn't found, she will be in danger for a long, long time. The fact that the police are releasing these details makes me believe that they have a good idea who he is. I hope I'm right!

[GovernmentShrinker]

Yes, and I think investigators are carefully considering the scope of the trade-off before each and every snippet of information they release.

[ET(end tyranny)]

Maybe, but with hairy hands and forearms, doubtful unless he's older LOL Lots of fairly young people with hairy arms and hands are bald. Worked with quite a few!