Freep This Poll -- Should the borders be militarized?

Denver Post ^ | June 19, 2002 | Bill McAllister and Michael Riley

[nanny]

Well, we don't have police in every household in this country to be sure no one breaks the laws. It is enough for some to just know there are police and laws that will be enforced. That would go a long way.

To do nothing just doesn't seem like an option to me.

For the person who is afraid it will effect NAFTA, well I personally think NAFTA needs to be revisited. I remember when it was first being discussed, one of the benefits touted was a seriously curtailment of illegal immigration. We were told if we sent them jobs, they would stay home.

[taxed2death]

Please explain to my why you would be unable to move your cattle across the border. No one here is talking about building a physical fence.

In short time, the people in charge of patrolling your area would see you as who you are and
let you through. The packs of 30 and 40 illegals, however, would be stopped. Again....just common sense....no?

[Tancredo Fan]

"Militarizing" the border between "points" means neither my Mexican neighbor nor I can move our cattle across a friggin' creek bed depending on where the runoff leaves water.

Well gee whiz, I'm all choked up about that.

[John H K]

He seconded a suggestion by Bill King, a retired Border Patrol chief agent, that it might take as many as 20,000 troops to secure the Mexican border.

This seems like a wild under-estimate.

To have anything more than a symbolic troop presence on the borders, you literally would have to re-institute the draft. The military is already short of manpower.

And if you think the American public will support a draft to man the Canadian and Mexican borders, I have a bridge in Brooklyn to sell you.

[another cricket]

Immigrants can still come in. Because immigrants do not sneak across the boarder. They come though customs and hand over their passport and visa to the nice INS agent.

People who sneak across the boarder are lawbreakers and should be deported if found inside the US and stopped if found crossing the boarder. Immigrants do not like illegal aliens any more then the native born do because it gives them a bad name. Just ask my sister-in-law. She is a proud new citizen of the US of A. Immigrants want to become citizens. Illegal aliens do not.

a.cricket

[Destructor]

FReeped it to 78%! Thanks for the thread.

[Travis McGee]

Amazingly, 11% voted "Tancredo is a racist loon, keep the borders wide open".

[Destructor]

"Freeped it 3 times. Put our military on the borders!! Take them out of Kosovo and let the Serbs settle accounts with the Albanian Jihadists."

I agree! I no longer sympathize with the so-called "innocent" Muslims. I don't care if the Serbs kill 'em all!!

[Tancredo Fan]

Amazingly, 11% voted "Tancredo is a racist loon, keep the borders wide open".

Have you been to Denver lately? It's beginning to look a lot like a certain annoying and undesirable third-world country.

[Travis McGee]

Bull crap. The border can be closed off airtight with a few thousand troops.

All that needs to be changed are the "rules of engagement".

Announce that we are in a time of war, and anyone found crossing the border will be presumed to be a terrorist after next Monday. The crossing will stop.

The border is a sieve only because border jumpers are certain they will NOT be harmed by the border patrol. Change that idea, and the border will be closed, period.

(For Pete's sake, not only are our Border Patrol not allowed to shoot, they are not even allowed to shoot when they are fired upon! Their ROE are "run away". They even had their rifles taken away, so that they only have pistols, so that they will not be tempted to fire back when fired upon.)

[Ajnin]

Putting the military on the border is a mistake in my opinion. It's just going to compound the problems that we already have with the INS and Border Patrol. I think I'm one of the few people in the Border Patrol has worked the border while in the military and then as an Agent. One thing I know from experience is that innocent American citizens will pay not the illegal aliens.

[Travis McGee]

You are an idiot. If and when the border is ever militarized, I hope your free-roaming border crossing cattle are shipped out and sold at auction to pay the cost of new Border Patrol equipment.

[Travis McGee]

The American Southwest is soon going to be Big Kosovo if we don't stop the invasion ASAP.

[old school]

I hope you're being facetious because I think most Americans could give a fat rat's ass about NAFTA, Globalism and all that other happy horse-sh*t. I don't think we care about what tone we set for the disaffected, ignorant filth that is the "world community!" I ain't so sure I wanna accept counsel from the ghost of some british colonialist anyhow!

[nanny]

That is the nature of laws. But the border regulations or laws were there before your beeves and probably you were born. It is not a matter of someone passing a law that inconveniences you. It is a matter of enforcing already existing laws. When a nation allows a law or laws to be summarily broken and even encourages it, it makes all our laws less absolute.

Everyone wants freedom, but as the saying goes, 'Freedom isn't free'. It comes at a cost and right now Americans are paying the price for these people's freedom.

Actually, the only unemployed that are being harmed by this are the recently unemployed who cannot find jobs because they are being taken by these people. It is, rather, the employed whose taxes are being used to pay for their medical care, food, education, extra law enforcement, etc. It is the absolute destruction of the communities and Amercian way of life.

There is no way such a huge volume of people, especially foreigners, can come into this or any other country and not cause havoc. These people are breaking the laws coming here, abusing our social services, breaking the tax laws, forging documents. This can only have a negative effect on our society.

[Travis McGee]

HOw are "innocent American citizens" going to pay by having the border invasion stopped? Today American citizens along the border are locked inside at night while gangs of invaderes cut their fences, ruin and destroy irrigation equipment, and leave mountains of trash. The American citizens live in fear NOW, shutting off the invasion will give them the first peace they have known in years.

[skeeter]

Immigrants can still come in. Because immigrants do not sneak across the boarder. They come though customs and hand over their passport and visa to the nice INS agent.

Since the arguments being employed by CRG against enforcing our immigration laws are so cliche and superfluous I suspect CRG has other reasons for wanting our borders demolished.

No doubt he/she simply thought the 'free market' argument would fly on a conservative website.

[Joe Hadenuf]

Have you been to Denver lately? It's beginning to look a lot like a certain annoying and undesirable third-world country.

We went through Denver a year and a half ago. We were stunned to find what appeared to be thousands of Spanish speaking people. We were then told by our guest, that most are in the Denver area illegally and that once the greedy business owners started hiring them, it was all over.

Got a call from our friend in Denver a month ago and he told us he came home from work a few weeks back, and was told by his neighbors that they chased a pickup truck down the street from his house, that had just been burglarized. As the truck was being chased our friends, the TV fell out the back of the truck and was all over the street along with other personal belongings.

The police caught the 3 occupants of the truck 5 miles away. It turned out, all 3 were illegal aliens.

Our friend is a cop by the way.

[CecilRhodesGhost]

Ajin... I agree with you. When the dangerous radical Le Pen movement was gaining popularity in France earlier this year, the same shouts of anti-immigration and isolationism were heard. However, the masses were explained that closing borders was a negative move for the future... and Le Pen was slowly discredited, compared with Nazi Germany, and defeated. I think those in America who are pro-business (such as Rush Limbaugh's fans) need to ignore these calls for tighter border restrictions. NAFTA will be expanded to Chile in the name of free-trade and economic development... so building a military force along a nation-state's borders runs counter to the peoples' best interests. I wonder if stage is set for the American version of Le Pen to emerge?

[DM1]

well i freeped it