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School officials quit amid probe of TAAS scheme
Houston Chronicle ^ | June 19, 2002, 1:23AM | ERIC HANSON

Posted on 06/19/2002 2:11:05 AM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife

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"One witness reported that when he told Bailey about his concerns that she was violating TEA and TAAS rules and regulations, Bailey is alleged to have said she didn't care," the report states. "She is alleged to have told witnesses that she would hang the reprimand from TEA alongside the certificate showing that Bush High School had achieved exemplary rating."

She should be hanging out in a jail cell.

1 posted on 06/19/2002 2:11:05 AM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
A-Hmmmmmm! Interesting times in which we live, when the school officials and not the students are the ones doing the cheating on tests! A great example they're setting for the kids, a-yep, uh-huh...


2 posted on 06/19/2002 2:17:02 AM PDT by Joe Brower
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To: Joe Brower
They're were trying to keep the education lie alive. I hope parents who believe their children are being educated because they live in good neighborhoods, will think again.
3 posted on 06/19/2002 2:25:40 AM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
Jean Bailey, the school's dean of instruction and TAAS coordinator...

Houston, we've located the problem.

I need one good example of how student achievement was improved by taking money out of the classroom and investing in a "dean of instruction." And she has a secretary, no less.

If she simply stuck to her normal twaddle, she would have been a pure waste of tax dollars. As it is, the district has received a negative return on its investment.

4 posted on 06/19/2002 2:33:52 AM PDT by laredo44
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The education industry finds endless ways to employ more people.

Here's another point of view about accountability.

Orlando Sentinel MY WORD - Low scores? Throw out the test - By L. Calvin Dillon | My Word (June 18, 2002 ) [Full Text] If you really want to help the students and teachers at Mollie Ray Elementary and the other schools where test scores are low, don't throw more money at them. Throw out the test and the school grading system.

I know what you are thinking; "This must be one of those teachers from an F school, trying to rationalize and justify how he really did teach his kids, but they flunked anyway because of poverty or lack of parental involvement." Actually, I teach at the only high school in Orange County to get a B on Gov Jeb. Bush's grading system. My problem is not with what grade schools get; my problem is that we are giving grades at all.

We don't grade police departments on how many people "fail" and get arrested. We don't grade fire departments based on how many houses they "let" burn to the ground because they "didn't care about the ones they couldn't save." Why don't we treat schools with the same understanding and respect? The answer is simple; we don't respect what teachers do, and we are blindly putting our faith in the ability of a single measure to tell us what we are worth.

The reality is that some kids will never test well on a multiple-choice standardized test. I am not talking about kids raised in poverty, or minority children who traditionally perform poorly on standardized tests. I have been working with rising seniors who have failed the 10th-grade FCAT three times already.

These are not uneducated, illiterate students who have been "socially promoted on their merry way to a lifetime of poverty." These are children whose skills lie in other areas, such as music, the arts, or verbal communication. Some suffer from test anxiety. They get good grades in hard classes, they do quality work, and they can read just fine. They just can't pass this test because they don't fit the mold of the kind of child who scores well on it. You cannot measure every child's worth with a test like FCAT.

One of my rising seniors gets so worked up the night before the test that she vomits and gets no sleep. She has flunked it three times. If she does not pass the test before March, she will not graduate. This is a smart, motivated child who works hard and consistently makes the honor roll, but Bush's A+ Plan and FCAT will deny her a high school diploma because of one test score.

Another of my 10th-graders missed passing by one point. Are we really prepared to put enough faith in this test to say that, because a child misses one question on one test, he doesn't deserve his diploma?

Mollie Ray missed scoring a D by three points on the state's scale. Yet we are confident in devaluing the hard work those teachers and students did because of those three points. Lakeville and Palm Lake Elementary schools each scored an A, but the difference between the school scores was 90 points. How does this make sense?

In February, state lawmakers in Kansas answered questions from the Kansas statewide achievement test so they could get a feel for what the experience is like for the children. I challenge Bush and state legislators to do the same. If your test really is the accurate measure of a person's value and education you claim it to be, take it yourself and see what you are worth. [End]

L. Calvin Dillon lives in Oviedo.

5 posted on 06/19/2002 3:24:10 AM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife
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Bigger classes did better*** TALLAHASSEE -- Elementary schools with the biggest class sizes earned the best grades last year, Education Secretary Jim Horne said Tuesday. On average, there were 24.1 children in the classrooms of the 580 elementary schools that earned an A for the past school year, contrasted with 19.9 students in the 41 schools that earned an F.***
6 posted on 06/19/2002 3:30:59 AM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
When my high school Spanish teacher wanted to raise everyone's test scores he'd just leave the class for a half hour during tests. We all got A's.

He was happy, we were happy, the administration was happy and our parents were happy. Everyone was happy! Except no one learned anything.

The more things change...

It is a fact that the Sophistic appeared as a sweeping attitude of abnegation, of doubting every thing. And it emerged with the intention of demolishing whatever structure the logic of the pre-Socratics had methodically built up. But what was the motive behind this activity? As far as we know, this attitude of the Sophists was the result of disillusionment with the answers given by pre-Socratic philosophy. The great thinkers of Sophistic realized the vanity of a theoretical investigation which never arrived at positive conclusions that were acceptable to all. This at least was the lesson they learned from the schools of [p. 183] pre-Socratic philosophy which accepted as the ultimate principle of the universe some times water, other times fire, some times speaking of 'becoming' and other times of 'being'. This theoretical disillusionment led to Scepticism [Protagoras] and to Nihilism [Gorgias] of knowledge and as a consequence the correlation of all the 'truths' and 'values'. Thus the Sophists doubted all things. To them all things were relative, the logical concepts, the ethical values, religion, justice, the state, and so on. And because they were all relative, they could support two different arguments for the same thing. Thus emerged contradiction which stood alongside reason, and counter-logic which paired with logic. It is perhaps conceivable that the democratic government of Athens in the 5th Century B.C. which accepted reason and contradiction, had encouraged the growth of Sophistic counter-logic. On the other hand, the opposite could have happened, that is, Sophistic counter-logic could have influenced the theoretic presupposition and basis of the democratic dialogue.

The Sophists were primarily teachers, and in fact very highly paid teachers. They taught general education and they taught rhetoric. They exploited the needs of their age and specially the demand of the Athenian parents for the education of their young to prepare them for an active part in public life and in the democratic administration of the city. Thus the Sophists became the founders of pedagogical science. But also of many other sciences such as psychology which is the basis of pedagogy, and the art of 'persuasion' generally--an especially Sophistic art--of linguistics and grammar which was essential training for thorough mastery of rhetoric, and other similar and associated sciences.

Much argument has been spent on the differences between the Sophists and Socrates. Yet, they had more in common than they had differences. Plato was responsible for emphasizing the differences and toning down the similarities. But both the Sophists and Socrates ceased to preoccupy themselves with the natural being or becoming of the pre-Socratics, and directed their interest to man and his works. Also common was the belief that the former way of life, of tradition, could not survive, for it had already been corroded in their day. The answers given to this last problem by the Sophists and Socrates differed. The Sophists replied negatively by striving to demolish tradition and the traditional values, whereas Socrates in a positive manner, strove to build these up from the beginning on logical foundations.


7 posted on 06/19/2002 4:42:32 AM PDT by Aquinasfan
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He was happy, we were happy, the administration was happy and our parents were happy. Everyone was happy! Except no one learned anything.

Exactly!!

Enjoyed your post.

8 posted on 06/19/2002 5:12:38 AM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife
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More...

Princes and noblemen invited Socrates to give lectures in exchange for a luxuriant lifestyle. Socrates taught several pupils but did not accept any fees for his services.

In fact, Socrates believed that accepting pay would corrupt teachers. Socrates' love of truth stands in sharp contrast to the Sophists who would argue either side of an issue for pay.

Now compare the quality of teaching by professional teachers in government schools (high pay) to the quality of teaching in private religious schools (negligible pay) and the quality of teaching in homeschools (no pay).

Type of school: Gov't schools -------> private/religious schools -------> homeschooling

Teacher salary: High pay -------> modest pay -------> no pay

Teaching method: Sophistic -------> Sophistic/Truth-based -------> Truth-based

Moral instruction: Nihilism -------> Pragmatism/Virtue -------> Virtue

Moral environment: Nihilistic -------> Pragmatic/protective -------> Protective

Teaching method: Arguing 'both sides'/sophism -------> Pragmatic (pedantic)/truth-seeking (socratic/dialectic/heuristic) -------> truth-seeking (socratic/dialectic/heuristic)

9 posted on 06/19/2002 5:20:48 AM PDT by Aquinasfan
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
Public education is an oxymoron. But as long as it continues to exist, we should not only be testing the students; we should be testing the teachers.

Ending the Department of Education, a prior Republican platform plank abandoned by Bush and Congressional Republicans, would be a giant step forward toward improving education and in turn defeating Democrats.

10 posted on 06/19/2002 5:26:28 AM PDT by B. A. Conservative
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
I don't think she needs to be "hanging out in a jail cell." TEA just needs to pull her teaching certificate and every other document that allows her to work at any level of education.
11 posted on 06/19/2002 6:15:05 AM PDT by Clara Lou
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To: B. A. Conservative
"Testing the teachers" for what?
12 posted on 06/19/2002 6:17:24 AM PDT by Clara Lou
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1) Universities shouldn't be giving degrees to people who don't know their subject matter. Teachers should have to have degrees in their teaching area.
2) How often should teachers be tested? Do you want a reading teacher tested repeatedly? Why? Is that teacher going to forget how to read? What about science? Math? History? Making the very great assumption that the teacher is qualified in the first place (see #1 above), why would he/she need testing beyond college or for certification?
3)One problem in education is that states cannot get enough math teachers or science teachers. Here in Texas, we can't even get enough high school Spanish teachers. So, what does a school do? Just not teach the subject because there's no highly qualified teacher? Or does the school do the best it can with what it's got? In 9th grade my daughter had a "Spanish teacher" who had 12 hours of college Spanish (4 courses). [I live in a town with a major university in it, yet this town cannot get enough math teachers or enough foreign language teachers.] The education problem isn't as simple as people would like to make it.
13 posted on 06/19/2002 8:34:28 AM PDT by Clara Lou
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To: Clara Lou
"Testing the teachers" for what?

Competence.

---max

14 posted on 06/19/2002 8:35:33 AM PDT by max61
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To: Clara Lou
Why would you allow your daughter to take a subject that did not have a competent instructor?. I guess when you need heart surgery and there isn't a competent heart surgeon, you'll go to a dentist.

---max

15 posted on 06/19/2002 8:39:21 AM PDT by max61
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To: max61
One-word answers are quick, but they don't contribute much. Please read my post #13. (As you will see, I agree that competence is necessary.)
16 posted on 06/19/2002 8:39:55 AM PDT by Clara Lou
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Max,
The teacher was adequate-- not as highly qualified as I would have chosen. And, BTW, Spanish-IA is not heart surgery.
17 posted on 06/19/2002 8:47:26 AM PDT by Clara Lou
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To: Clara Lou
If we stopped funding public schools, how long do you think it would take for the problem to disappear?

I will suggest that if we get government out of the education business, the problem will be solved in less than three years.

18 posted on 06/19/2002 10:58:44 AM PDT by B. A. Conservative
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if we stopped funding public schools...the problem will be solved in less than three years
The problem wouldn't be solved in 3 years. It would open a brand new and different can of worms. What, will we home school all the children of the US? Not feasible. Private schools would be overwhelmed.
19 posted on 06/19/2002 11:09:48 AM PDT by Clara Lou
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"What, will we home school all the children of the US? Not feasible. Private schools would be overwhelmed."

Have you missed the educational value of FreeRepublic?

Bricks and mortar schools are on their way to becoming an anachronism. One super teacher can teach billions via the internet. Online schools are going to proliferate like rabbits.

Learn it. Live it. Love it.

20 posted on 06/19/2002 9:33:20 PM PDT by B. A. Conservative
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