The Mythical Lincoln

lewrockwell.com ^ | 02/12/2002 | Thomas J. DiLorenzo

[mconder]

This short article is nothing. Get DiLorenzo's book for even more condemning evidence of this man's traitorous activities commited whilst in the oval office.

[WhiskeyPapa]

This short article is nothing. Get DiLorenzo's book for even more condemning evidence of this man's traitorous activities commited whilst in the oval office.

The oval office didn't exist in Lincoln's time.

DiLorenzo is a member of the hate group League of the South and his screed is nothing but Soviet Style disinformation.

Walt

[WhiskeyPapa]

Garrison knew Lincoln well. He knew that Lincoln stated over and over again for his entire adult life that he did not believe in social or political equality of the races, he opposed inter-racial marriage, supported the Illinois constitution’s prohibition of immigration of blacks into the state, once defended in court a slaveowner seeking to retrieve his runaway slaves but never defended a runaway, and that he was a lifelong advocate of colonization – of sending every last black person in the U.S. to Africa, Haiti, or central America – anywhere but in the U.S.

Snooze.

Frederick Douglass on Lincoln:

"Recognizing me, even before I reached him, he exclaimed, so that all around could hear him, "Here comes my friend Douglass." Taking me by the hand, he said, "I am glad to see you. I saw you in the crowd to-day, listening to my inaugural address; how did you like it?" I said, "Mr. Lincoln, I must not detain you with my poor opinion, when there are thousands waiting to shake hands with you." "No, no," he said, "you must stop a little, Douglass; there is no man in the country whose opinion I value more than yours. I want to know what you think of it?" I replied, "Mr. Lincoln, that was a sacred effort." "I am glad you liked it!" he said; and I passed on, feeling that any man, however distinguished, might well regard himself honored by such expressions, from such a man."

More Douglass:

"Viewed from the genuine abolition ground, Mr. Lincoln seemed tardy, cold, dull and indifferent; but measuring him by the sentiment of his country, a sentiment he was bound as a statesman to consult, he was swift, zealous, radical and determined."

DiLorenzo ignores the part of the record he doesn't like. He is no better than Dr. Goebbels.

Walt

[WhiskeyPapa]

...he was a lifelong advocate of colonization – of sending every last black person in the U.S. to Africa, Haiti, or central America – anywhere but in the U.S.

This is a flat lie by DiLorenzo; there is no support for this in the record.

Lincoln was first elected to public office in 1831. From 1831 to 1854 there is little or nothing in the record from Lincoln on colonization. From 1854 to the end of 1862, Lincoln did propose colonization as one way to defuse the sectional rivalry that was leading the country towards civil war. After black soldiers fought under old Glory, he never mentioned colonization again. So for 8 years out of a 31 year career Lincoln did propose colonization; he never suggested that anyone be forced out of the country and he repeatedly said before the war that the Declaration of Independence applied to all men.

DiLorenzo's statement is just a flat lie.

Lincoln also proposed voting rights for black soldiers in a speech on April 11, 1865, a position DiLorenzo conveniently forgets is inconsistant with forcing anyone out of the country.

Walt

[Bommer]

The Dictator Lincoln invaded the South without the consent of Congress, as called for in the Constitution; declared martial law; blockaded Southern ports without a declaration of war, as required by the Constitution; illegally suspended the writ of habeas corpus; imprisoned without trial thousands of Northern anti-war protesters, including hundreds of newspaper editors and owners; censored all newspaper and telegraph communication; nationalized the railroads; created three new states without the consent of the citizens of those states in order to artificially inflate the Republican Party’s electoral vote; ordered Federal troops to interfere with Northern elections to assure Republican Party victories; deported Ohio Congressman Clement L. Vallandigham for opposing his domestic policies (especially protectionist tariffs and income taxation) on the floor of the House of Representatives; confiscated private property, including firearms, in violation of the Second Amendment; and effectively gutted the Tenth and Ninth Amendments as well.

I think your the one thats ignoring. History, Lincolns illegal war, these documented crimes he has been proven to have committed and the Constitution. Lincoln sucked up to Douglas, because at the time, Douglas was the most literate and widely supported abolitionist. Clinton sucked up to Jackson, but dispised his ass. A few handshakes means nothing to a lieing politician!

[WhiskeyPapa]

bump

[uncbob]

who is credited with having introduced the spoils system to America and supervising the building of the Erie Canal (which became defunct in a mere ten years because of the invention of the railroad).

Well this part is BS
The ERIE canal was and is still going stong
PBS did a great documentary on it

[WhiskeyPapa]

The Dictator Lincoln invaded the South without the consent of Congress, as called for in the Constitution;

There is no such provision in the Constitution.

What there is -- is the Militia Act of 1792, which Lincoln cited at the time:

According to the Militia Act of May 2, 1792, as amended Feb 28, 1795, Sec. 2:

"And it be further enacted, That whenever the laws of the United States shall be opposed or the execution thereof obstructed, in any state, by combinations too powerful to be suppressed by the ordinary course of judicial proceedings, or by the powers vested in the marshals by this act, it shall be lawful for the President of the United States to call forth the militia of such state to suppress such combinations, and to cause the laws to be duly executed. And if the militia of a state, where such combinations may happen, shall refuse, or be insufficient to suppress the same, it shall be lawful for the President, if the legislatures of the United States be not in session, to call forth and employ such numbers of the militia of any other state or states most convenient thereto, as may be necessary, and the use of militia, so to be called forth, may be continued, if necessary, until the expiration of thirty days after the commencement of the ensuing session."

The Supreme Court also cites the Militia Act in the Prize Cases from 1862 as authorizing the federal government to put down the rebellion.

Lincoln had all the back-up he needed in the law.

So sorry for your myth, or lies.

The Militia Act requires that U.S. law operate in all the states.

Walt

[r9etb]

DiLorenzo ignores the part of the record he doesn't like. He is no better than Dr. Goebbels.

Well, it's on LewRockwell.com, after all. Did you expect anything different?

[mconder]

DiLorenzo is a member of the hate group League of the South and his screed is nothing but Soviet Style disinformation.

I was just on the League of the South home page and read a couple position papers. None of them seemed to encourage hatred or violence....

[dighton]

It's time for another exciting episode of "The Tyrant Lincoln, Who Cut Down My Great-Great Grandma's Magnolias."

[Vladiator]

If you don't like Lincoln, you can leave the country. Please do so, now, and don't let the door hit you in the butt on the way out.

Whaa! I want my slaves! Whaa!

[Poohbah]

Does Mr. DiLorenzo think that repeating his same worthless and inept scholarship with more vitriol makes it any better this time around?

[r9etb]

As H.L. Mencken said of the Gettysburg Address, in which Lincoln absurdly claimed that Northern soldiers were fighting for the cause of self determination ("that government of the people . . . should not perish . . .": "It is difficult to imagine anything more untrue. The Union soldiers in the battle actually fought against self determination; it was the Confederates who fought for the right of their people to govern themselves. The Confederates went into the battle free; they came out with their freedom subject to the supervision of the rest of the country."

BS.

Lincoln addressed this whole topic here.

[Frumious Bandersnatch]

Pure FUD (as you so wisely observe).

Amongst many many other things, DiLorenzo, twists Basler's words to mean what he wishes they were.  Also, it is true that Lincoln was not an abolitionist.  He was a Unionist - as was most of the north (who regarded abolitionism and slavery with equal suspicion) at the time.

DiLorenzo is as credible as Bellesiles.

[exmarine]

Question: Was Lincoln primarily responsible for ending slavery? Answer: Yes.

Question: Did Lincoln manage to preserve the Union after the bloodiest war (to this day) in American History? Answer: Yes

Question: Was Lincoln perfect and flawless? Anwswer: No.

Question: Can one find major flaws in all other presidents? Answer: Yes.

Question: What is the writer's motive for painting Lincoln as a tyrant and making Lincoln responsible for the corrupt present-day out-of-control government? Answer: This needs to be explored more fully. I wouldn't be surprised if this same author also has bones to pick with John Adams, George Washington, James Madison, and other highly moral founders. I wonder who his heroes are? That would be interesteing to know.

[Bommer]

Sorry Pops, but thats not the way I read it:

it shall be lawful for the President of the United States to call forth the militia of such state to suppress such combinations, and to cause the laws to be duly executed. And if the militia of a state, where such combinations may happen, shall refuse, or be insufficient to suppress the same, it shall be lawful for the President, if the legislatures of the United States be not in session, to call forth and employ such numbers of the militia of any other state or states most convenient thereto, as may be necessary, and the use of militia, so to be called forth, may be continued, if necessary, until the expiration of thirty days after the commencement of the ensuing session."

Was Congress out of session when he declared war?