Posted on 06/17/2002 1:35:37 PM PDT by shuckmaster
The very definition of tiresome is the constant flow of crap from the left-coast (especially your contributions to our Congress).
In 1863 Lincoln stated that "I felt differently", and 8 month later wrote "I felt that measures, otherwise unconstitutional, might become lawful." A measure that is Constitutional is already "lawful" - there is no need for it to "become" lawful. Lincoln hoped for future (ex post facto) legislation to legalize his actions (meaning that they were currently illegal).
Put you have nothing to base that on other than your own hopes and opinions. For all you know it could have been much worse. Had the south won they would have been faced with a large, hostile United States on their border, mulling revenge. Given that threat and with a nation to build then Davis, or his successor, are just as likely to have carried on his policies of ignoring the constitution, jailing dissidents, nationalizing industries and so forth. Southern victory could have lead to a repressive North and a continuation of, or an even more, repressive south.
Oh please, drop the drama.
My humanity is in fine shape thanks and sympathizes with all of the Civil war dead, not just southerners, unlike your 'humanity' which appears to see only one side as worthy of sympathy or respect.
If modern day Jews are still lamenting the holocaust and complaining about Hitler in another eighty years (2082) your defense of the endless diatribes against Abe Lincoln and the finger-pointing at governments gone for almost 140 years from the folks who comprise the anti-Lincoln, pro-south Civil War fanatics may carry some weight. Right now it just looks like a bunch of pointless and unproductive complaining about a war finished and a president dead over 137 years with little real purpose except to pick at a grievience you chose to adopt from your ancestors and make part of your identity.
As I doubt Jewish decendents of Holocaust survivors will get a lot of real sympathy for ranting about Hitler in 2083, the anti-north, anti-Lincoln rants are just about as welcome. Enough already. People suffered and a nation was torn asunder but that was then, this is now and as we cannot change the past, we cannot fel any better about it by rehashing it every day and getting angry and hostile about matters settled and done and people dead and moulding in their graves for well over a hundred years. Nothing changes and no one is served except to harbor and nurture a pointless anger and contempt.
Like blacks that still complain about slavery, the anti-Lincoln, pro-confederate south rants are tiresome and have little relevance to todays American citizens, so don't expect a lot of sympathy for you definition of 'humanity'. From the serfs and peasants of europe that immigrated to America to the black slaves of brought here against their will, we all have a distant past that could be hurtful if we chose to dwell on it and make it our hobby. We do not. Life goes on, improves, changes and the past dies.
Looking back at your history is one thing, making past arguments and even a civil war the focus of the rest of your life is pointless, tedious and probably unhealthy.
for a FREE dixie,sw
How many countries can you name, that have actual armed troops defending the US?
In the article, he is including Military and DOD personnel that are not considered troops. These lesion personnel and Embassy security personnel are not "defenders of the empire" as he states.
I would really like to see this topic banned. It has been cussed, discussed, hashed and rehashed until there's simply nothing left to say.
It's just such utter B.S. For awhile it was amusing to see just how cretinous a cretin can be, but with the climate we have now, where our nation is threatened, it has no place here, IMO.
The rebels got their *sses whooped, and destroyed their whole land for two generations.
What a WONDERFUL legacy.
BTW, we're taking down your stupid raggedy-*ss flag all over Texas now. Seems we finally figured out we're in the United States of America now.
Yes, slavery as the foundation of their "way of life."
Maybe you forgot that the VAST MAJORITY of those that took up arms for the cause of Southern Independence did not own any slaves/and were too poor to do so...
That ended up being a HUGE problem for the rebel government, and toward the end of the war the increasing desertion rate was attributed not a little to the notion that they were fighting a "rich man's war, poor man's fight."
Initially, though, the rebel demagogues were able to appeal to the nonslaveholders (a.k.a. "cannon fodder") by labeling the Republican party the "Black Republicans" and inciting fear and loathing by claiming that if they stayed in the Union, "black bucks" were coming to take their daughters to wife.
In other words, Democrats then were doing just as Democrats have always done: Lying and misrepresenting reality, believing their audience was too stupid to figure it out.
Unfortunately, they were right that time.
Before the Civil War, the rhetoric was all about "the Union" and "the Confederation of states," but we emerged, despite the horrific toll in lives and treasure, as a single, unified nation, and that is the way we see ourselves today.
Growing up in Alabama, I was taught IN SCHOOL the revisionist history that you believe is valid.
It wasn't until I became an adult and began to think for myself that I discovered that everything I knew was wrong.
The first thing that put me wise was a reading of the various secession declarations and other documentary history of the time. There wasn't one, single, bloomin' word in there anywhere about "tarriffs" or whatever. It was unabashedly about the slave question and the imperative they felt concerning preserving African slavery.
Then I dug a bit deeper, and soon after came to the conclusion that since I was an American, and truly believe in freedom and equality for all, this silly oligarchy called "the Confederacy" was not to my liking at all, and I abandoned it wholeheartedly.
Perhaps you might actually find some patriotic bone in your body, and realize that everything you know is wrong.
Really, it's a very cleansing experience.
Well, let's see: He did declare that any Negro caught in the uniform of the United States should be killed on the spot. And he took great satisfaction in massacres of this kind, such as at Ft. Pillow.
Oh, but that's quibbling, isn't it? I mean, other than the fact that he detested blacks as lower than the lowest animal, he was such a fine fellow...
I really feel for them. I was just as they are once, because I was taught the same sort of tripe they believe, while I was in public school in Alabama. Honestly, at that time (the late 60s-early 70s) history teachers actually taught some of this mythology as history. So these guys may just be misguided.
Honestly, anyone who criticizes McPherson on the basis of "hack" is just brain-dead. Battle Cry of Freedom is simply chock-full of historical fact, as well as a variety of historical opinion, all extensively and EXHAUSTIVELY documented. That book packs more punch in a single volume than many a multi-volume set on the war.
It's a treasure and a must-read for any serious student of U.S. history.
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