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ABRAHAM LINCOLN: AMERICA'S GREATEST WAR CRIMINAL
Dixie Daily ^ | 6/17/02 | Ron Holland

Posted on 06/17/2002 1:35:37 PM PDT by shuckmaster

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To: Billthedrill
I mean no disrespect to the South when I say that this crap is getting tiresome.

The very definition of tiresome is the constant flow of crap from the left-coast (especially your contributions to our Congress).

141 posted on 06/18/2002 8:55:38 AM PDT by iconoclast
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To: WhiskeyPapa
It is simply false to suggest that Lincoln himself thought the EP unconstitutional. It is a lie.

In 1863 Lincoln stated that "I felt differently", and 8 month later wrote "I felt that measures, otherwise unconstitutional, might become lawful." A measure that is Constitutional is already "lawful" - there is no need for it to "become" lawful. Lincoln hoped for future (ex post facto) legislation to legalize his actions (meaning that they were currently illegal).

142 posted on 06/18/2002 8:57:28 AM PDT by 4CJ
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To: a merkin
So when are you leaving the Union? Don't let me hold you back. So go already.
143 posted on 06/18/2002 9:04:28 AM PDT by Catspaw
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To: JR.SCHOJ
The thing with Davis is it probalbly would have ended had the south won.

Put you have nothing to base that on other than your own hopes and opinions. For all you know it could have been much worse. Had the south won they would have been faced with a large, hostile United States on their border, mulling revenge. Given that threat and with a nation to build then Davis, or his successor, are just as likely to have carried on his policies of ignoring the constitution, jailing dissidents, nationalizing industries and so forth. Southern victory could have lead to a repressive North and a continuation of, or an even more, repressive south.

144 posted on 06/18/2002 9:38:05 AM PDT by Non-Sequitur
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To: Piper George
It is easy to sit back and mock those whose hurts have not healed, but I wonder where you have trashed your humanity.

Oh please, drop the drama.
My humanity is in fine shape thanks and sympathizes with all of the Civil war dead, not just southerners, unlike your 'humanity' which appears to see only one side as worthy of sympathy or respect.

If modern day Jews are still lamenting the holocaust and complaining about Hitler in another eighty years (2082) your defense of the endless diatribes against Abe Lincoln and the finger-pointing at governments gone for almost 140 years from the folks who comprise the anti-Lincoln, pro-south Civil War fanatics may carry some weight. Right now it just looks like a bunch of pointless and unproductive complaining about a war finished and a president dead over 137 years with little real purpose except to pick at a grievience you chose to adopt from your ancestors and make part of your identity.

As I doubt Jewish decendents of Holocaust survivors will get a lot of real sympathy for ranting about Hitler in 2083, the anti-north, anti-Lincoln rants are just about as welcome. Enough already. People suffered and a nation was torn asunder but that was then, this is now and as we cannot change the past, we cannot fel any better about it by rehashing it every day and getting angry and hostile about matters settled and done and people dead and moulding in their graves for well over a hundred years. Nothing changes and no one is served except to harbor and nurture a pointless anger and contempt.

Like blacks that still complain about slavery, the anti-Lincoln, pro-confederate south rants are tiresome and have little relevance to todays American citizens, so don't expect a lot of sympathy for you definition of 'humanity'. From the serfs and peasants of europe that immigrated to America to the black slaves of brought here against their will, we all have a distant past that could be hurtful if we chose to dwell on it and make it our hobby. We do not. Life goes on, improves, changes and the past dies.

Looking back at your history is one thing, making past arguments and even a civil war the focus of the rest of your life is pointless, tedious and probably unhealthy.

145 posted on 06/18/2002 9:45:58 AM PDT by Jim Scott
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To: shuckmaster
YEP and DC is the only national capitol i can think of with a memorial to a WAR CRIMINAL!

for a FREE dixie,sw

146 posted on 06/18/2002 10:30:06 AM PDT by stand watie
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To: shuckmaster
It is glorious to see the TRUTH about DISHONEST Abe! It is a shame that the War Criminal Lincoln did not believe in the Declaration of Independence, i.e., that it is the right and duty to throw off tyranny, and that government derives its powers from the CONSENT of the governed. May the Lincoln-Myth continue to fall!
147 posted on 06/18/2002 1:39:30 PM PDT by Gospel_guy
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To: Truth Monger
Less.

How many countries can you name, that have actual armed troops defending the US?

In the article, he is including Military and DOD personnel that are not considered troops. These lesion personnel and Embassy security personnel are not "defenders of the empire" as he states.

148 posted on 06/18/2002 4:59:15 PM PDT by Marine Inspector
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To: Marine Inspector
It's par for the course for these people. They disappeared for awhile after 9-11, but they slunk their chicken-*sses back in here soon enough, to carry on the USA-bashing.

I would really like to see this topic banned. It has been cussed, discussed, hashed and rehashed until there's simply nothing left to say.

It's just such utter B.S. For awhile it was amusing to see just how cretinous a cretin can be, but with the climate we have now, where our nation is threatened, it has no place here, IMO.

149 posted on 06/18/2002 8:19:11 PM PDT by Illbay
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To: the_right_way
'COurse, this redneck will never wake up to the guns turned on Ft. Sumter.

The rebels got their *sses whooped, and destroyed their whole land for two generations.

What a WONDERFUL legacy.

BTW, we're taking down your stupid raggedy-*ss flag all over Texas now. Seems we finally figured out we're in the United States of America now.

150 posted on 06/18/2002 8:23:00 PM PDT by Illbay
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To: Huck; dighton

151 posted on 06/18/2002 8:26:29 PM PDT by Illbay
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To: the_right_way
Um, no, we said LEAVE. The LAND stays here.
152 posted on 06/18/2002 8:28:41 PM PDT by Illbay
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To: the_right_way
You are telling me, that those brave souls that died under the southern flag - did so in the name of slavery?

Yes, slavery as the foundation of their "way of life."

Maybe you forgot that the VAST MAJORITY of those that took up arms for the cause of Southern Independence did not own any slaves/and were too poor to do so...

That ended up being a HUGE problem for the rebel government, and toward the end of the war the increasing desertion rate was attributed not a little to the notion that they were fighting a "rich man's war, poor man's fight."

Initially, though, the rebel demagogues were able to appeal to the nonslaveholders (a.k.a. "cannon fodder") by labeling the Republican party the "Black Republicans" and inciting fear and loathing by claiming that if they stayed in the Union, "black bucks" were coming to take their daughters to wife.

In other words, Democrats then were doing just as Democrats have always done: Lying and misrepresenting reality, believing their audience was too stupid to figure it out.

Unfortunately, they were right that time.

153 posted on 06/18/2002 8:35:41 PM PDT by Illbay
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To: Huck
McPherson, in Battle Cry of Freedom, makes the point that "Sectionalism", which had been a political reality since the early 1700s, effectively ended with the close of the Civil War. He points out that Lincoln's tendency as the war begn to wind down, was to emphasize that we were ONE NATION, not just an aggregate of parts.

Before the Civil War, the rhetoric was all about "the Union" and "the Confederation of states," but we emerged, despite the horrific toll in lives and treasure, as a single, unified nation, and that is the way we see ourselves today.

154 posted on 06/18/2002 8:40:34 PM PDT by Illbay
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To: stainlessbanner
I find it funny because that's exactly the OPPOSITE of my own experience.

Growing up in Alabama, I was taught IN SCHOOL the revisionist history that you believe is valid.

It wasn't until I became an adult and began to think for myself that I discovered that everything I knew was wrong.

The first thing that put me wise was a reading of the various secession declarations and other documentary history of the time. There wasn't one, single, bloomin' word in there anywhere about "tarriffs" or whatever. It was unabashedly about the slave question and the imperative they felt concerning preserving African slavery.

Then I dug a bit deeper, and soon after came to the conclusion that since I was an American, and truly believe in freedom and equality for all, this silly oligarchy called "the Confederacy" was not to my liking at all, and I abandoned it wholeheartedly.

Perhaps you might actually find some patriotic bone in your body, and realize that everything you know is wrong.

Really, it's a very cleansing experience.

155 posted on 06/18/2002 8:45:53 PM PDT by Illbay
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To: JR.SCHOJ
But never took the war to citizens and the inocent.

Well, let's see: He did declare that any Negro caught in the uniform of the United States should be killed on the spot. And he took great satisfaction in massacres of this kind, such as at Ft. Pillow.

Oh, but that's quibbling, isn't it? I mean, other than the fact that he detested blacks as lower than the lowest animal, he was such a fine fellow...

156 posted on 06/18/2002 8:48:11 PM PDT by Illbay
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To: WhiskeyPapa
W.P., it really isn't that they are all LIARS, but they are SO MISLED.

I really feel for them. I was just as they are once, because I was taught the same sort of tripe they believe, while I was in public school in Alabama. Honestly, at that time (the late 60s-early 70s) history teachers actually taught some of this mythology as history. So these guys may just be misguided.

157 posted on 06/18/2002 8:51:41 PM PDT by Illbay
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To: Illbay
Agreed.
158 posted on 06/18/2002 10:15:44 PM PDT by Marine Inspector
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To: Illbay
I am reading Caro's book on LBJ's senate years. He has a very long chapter on Richard Russell - a gentleman, a genius, and almost a super human Robert E. Lee type. But then you read what came out of his mouth about race, and what he failed to reveal known to his own personal experience. It is a bit of a cold shower. Thank heavens those days of mental gymnastics are over for most of us.
159 posted on 06/18/2002 10:21:23 PM PDT by Torie
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To: billbears
Let me tranlate billbearese for y'all: "Historical hack" = "non-revisionist historian."

Honestly, anyone who criticizes McPherson on the basis of "hack" is just brain-dead. Battle Cry of Freedom is simply chock-full of historical fact, as well as a variety of historical opinion, all extensively and EXHAUSTIVELY documented. That book packs more punch in a single volume than many a multi-volume set on the war.

It's a treasure and a must-read for any serious student of U.S. history.

160 posted on 06/19/2002 3:17:45 AM PDT by Illbay
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