Islam in Prisons in the USA

islamonline ^ | 8/31/01

[swarthyguy]

A topical piece with Padilla's arrest and renewed interest at least here on FR on the topic of conversions to islam in US prisons.

[Don Myers]

bttt

[KentuckyWoman]

Gee, guess it makes sense that murderers and rapist would follow a murderer and a rapist...Islam teaches that for the devout, committing these acts on "infidels" is acceptable and therefore no guilt is attached to these atrocities.

[paul51]

Currently, there are approximately 350,000 Muslims in Federal, state and local prisons - with 30,000-40,000 being added to that number each year.

Not nearly enough

[mass55th]

"But, it so happens that once inside the prison a majority turns to Islam for the fulfillment of spiritual needs."

This is hogwash! Spiritual needs has nothing to do with it. These muslim prison groups are nothing more than gangs. Islam as practiced by these prison inmates is nothing but a bastardized version of the religion according to the Koran. As bin Laden has twisted Islam, so too has the inmate population. Instead of complying with the laws and rules of the religion, these individuals form the religion to comply with their wants and needs.

[nevergore]

Well, there you have it.....

The new slogan for Islam....

"Choose Islam, the choice of 8 out of 10 convicts!"

NeverGore :^)

[Servant of the Nine]

The whole idea of allowing any kind of Sky Pilot in prisons is preposterous.

We know rehabilitation does not work, so there is no longer any reason to allow anyone giving comfort of any kind to ameliorate inmates punishment. There is no reson to allow them reading material of any kind, whether Bible Koran or Comic Book.

So9

[swarthyguy]

And on a related note, i would like us to conficate and deny the Gitmo prisoners the solace of reading the koran from which they derive spiritual sustenance for their murderous jihadi philosophy. We did not permit meinkampf for nazi pows, so why the koran for these jihadis?

[A. Pole]

We know rehabilitation does not work,

You are wrong. Some people get rehabilitated some don't.

so there is no longer any reason to allow anyone giving comfort of any kind to ameliorate inmates punishment.

There are many different prisoners, many of them are decent people and many are innocent. Either way you seem to have sadistic tendencies and you make Islam look good!

There is no reson to allow them reading material of any kind, whether Bible Koran or Comic Book.

What are better ways to fill the time in prison, according to you?

[traditionalist]

In the 1940s, the only religious services permitted in U.S. prisons were for Christianity. The only other exception was for Judaism, and a rabbi from outside the prison was provided to offer Sabbath services. The Qur'an was not allowed in prisons and if found with an inmate, was confiscated. Then in the 1960s, the famous Shabbaz vs. the State legal ruling gave Muslims their initial legal recognition.

A textbook example of why freedom of religion is not always beneficial to the common good. One wonders if the founders would have reworded the First Amendment were they to have forseen it being used to justify the spread Islam in our prisons.

[swarthyguy]

I really think we ought to consider islam primarily a political ideology intent on world domination with the goal of a worldwide islamic state masquerading as a religion taking advantage of our laws and rights.

[Servant of the Nine]

What are better ways to fill the time in prison, according to you?

They should simply sit alone in a cell and hate being there, hour after hour, day after day, year after year. The whole purpose of prison is to punish the law breaker.

So9

[Servant of the Nine]

There are many different prisoners, many of them are decent people and many are innocent. Either way you seem to have sadistic tendencies and you make Islam look good!

Some are innocent, but damned few are decent. Decent people are not in situations or associating with people that can get them arrested.

Seeking just punishment for crimes comitted has nothing to do with sadism.

Are you really Phil Donahue or are you Allen Alda?

So9

[A. Pole]

Decent people are not in situations or associating with people that can get them arrested.

You are very mistaken. I know a number of cases when decent and innocent people got arrested.

[traditionalist]

Islam contains a very destructive political ideology, but to deny that it is a religion is just plain dishonest. That is why we as a nation need to gravely rethink our approach to freedom of religion. The current approach, in the present environment, is far too permissive. We need to recognize that today there are a lot of widespread relgions that are highly destructive to the common good. We need to take protective measures against them.

Islam is of course not the only one. Scientology, Wicca, and a bunch of other neo-pagan cults also comes to mind.

[traditionalist]

Innocent people get arrested with some frequency, but do they get convicted all that often? I'm not denying it ever happens, but given the bias of our justice system in favor of the defendent, I can't imagine that it happens all that often. Do you have any data that might indicate the frequency with which innocent people get convicted, and hence sent to prison?

Recall there's a difference between jail and prison. If you get arrested, you go to jail (usually for a very short time), but to go to prison you need to be convicted.

[philosofy123]

This is typical Psychobabble. Islam was introduced to blacks during the civil right movement by Arabs/communists who told them a bunch of lies. First Christianity is a Whiteman religion and Islam for colored people. You know, there are blond Moslems in Kosovo, and black Christians in Africa; but don't confuse me with facts! These ignorant black convicts were very receptive because they did not like the Whiteman! The communist agenda was to create a hostile underclass in America. No one cared to educate the black convicts that the Arabs were the black slave traders!

[A. Pole]

I'm not denying it ever happens, but given the bias of our justice system in favor of the defendent, I can't imagine that it happens all that often.

No, the system is biased in the favor of the RICH and SMART defendent. You can be very guilty and having a good expensive lawyer you can get off and you can be completely innocent but poor and naive and with the incompetent or sleeping during the trial public defender you will lose.

Anyway the prison industry is exploding and the main benefit is that the real hardened criminals are becoming a minority so the prisons become a more humane place. Increase the prison system to the size of Gulag and the average of decency will be higher inside than outside. The paradox of the punishment crazed society.

[Chuckster]

Hmmmmm....The Constitution does not exactly guaranty freedom of religeon I think. Seems to me that it rather prohibits the establishment of a state religeon by the Federal Government. Not quite the same thing is it?

[AlaskaErik]

You are wrong. Some people get rehabilitated some don't.

Having worked in a maximum security prison I can tell you that it is a revolving door. Our recidivism rate is about 90 percent. Rehabilitation is a farce and a joke. The few that don't come back stay out in spite of rehabilitation efforts, not because of them. The rest are doing life. Some do it in one stretch; the rest are doing life on the installment plan.