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Posted on 06/15/2002 11:40:18 PM PDT by Arthur McGowan
Do you have a link for it? (I tried to find it on their site.)
I borrowed your Mallard Fillmore cartoon from your FReepPage.
Thanks,
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What kind of excuse is that? Certain types of habitual sinners should be excommunicated.
It makes my blood boil to think divorced and remarried sans annulment are de facto excommunicated while these priests have serially abused children. The church needs to get its priorities straight. Which is worse? Adultery or banging little boys?
I may be naive, but I don't believe that Jesus ever intended child abusers to be members of his body in good standing.
Sola scriptura or not, it cannot be argued that the man in the earliest church was to be thrown out. Why did the church change the principle of that? A bishop is condemed in revelation for allowing a Jezebel to teach. Are the keys all powerful that even they can be turned to allow practicing sexual perverts to remain in the church? That makes a mockery of the Christian religion imo.
There is more to the church than just the scriptures, granted, but when the church strays so far from what is plainly stated in the scriptures, something is terribly wrong.
I was objecting to the implication that their presence in the Church is a sign that it isn't the true Church.
Yes; abusers among the clergy should be laicized, and jailed. But the fact that they exist is not a sign that the Catholic Church is not the Church founded by Christ.
Thank you for the clarification. It does make a difference.
But the fact that they exist is not a sign that the Catholic Church is not the Church founded by Christ.
I would agree with that statement, maybe with the word "necessarily" inserted before "sign". "By their fruits you shall know them." When humans see such rottenness, it is only natural to question.
That's odd, since you asserted that the presence of sinners in positions of power proved that the Church is "a cult" -- a totally unBiblical assertion, since there were grave sinners in positions of power in the Church by the time of the Last Supper. ("I tell you, woman, I do not even know him!" -- ever heard that line? Do you really think that sexual abuse, however evil, is a more serious sin than a Christian leader publicly repudiating Christ to save his own hide?)
Are you changing the topic?
Now, to the point: "Why isn't the Catholic Church laity protecting their children by eliminating Priests from the ministry for sexual perversions"
Because that's outside of the laity's control. This isn't a democracy, sorry.
When are you going to admit what is happening is a terrible thing and these perverts need to be arested just like the Protestant and Baptist are when they are caught?
Admit it?!? ADMIT IT?!? Heck, I'd put it on a billboard or on a sign towed behind an airplane if I thought it would do any good.
With one quibble, however. "What is happening" is not a terrible thing. "What has happened" is a terrible thing. The sexual abuse was terrible. Having it come out into the open, and seeing the guilty parties held up for punishment and public disgrace, is very, very good. A mercy.
The very first responsibility your leadership has is to God, and they are to exercise discipline by throwing these wicked sinners out of the church
Sorry, buddy. We don't "throw wicked sinners out of the church". The church exists to call wicked sinners to repentance, not to demonstrate how holy we are by sending them off into outer darkness.
You are letting pedophiles remain in the priesthood and serve in the church, and you are trying to tell everyone it is ok because you are Catholic.
One more time: you are accusing the wrong people. Nobody here is guilty of these crimes. Nobody.
Someone who is excommunicated is still within the Church. They are just prohibited from exercising some of the rights that pertain to that membership.
It makes my blood boil to think divorced and remarried sans annulment are de facto excommunicated while these priests have serially abused children.
Well, if you're going to talk de facto excommunication, the abusing priests are in the same boat as the divorced and remarrieds: in a state of objective mortal sin.
I don't see it quite the same way. They are still permitted the sacraments. Divorced and remarried are publicly reminded by on high that they may not partake of the sacraments. I've never heard such a proclamation as pertaining to errant priests, only unless they cross someone in authority. Presumably that's because they have confessed in between victims. Or maybe they don't bother to confess, as I now suspect many probably don't. It's kind of an honor system anyway, or dishonor system, as the case may be.
Some priests who have undergone censure don't seem to be heretics in the usual sense.
It's a very odd system and I wouldn't have a problem with it if it seemed more fair across the board for high and low alike.
That's just the beginning.
Ping
How in the world could this item have survived for 3 years??
A little bird told me about it.
Watch out with those links. This looked like an aggressively intrusive commercial site -- the kind that likes to stick scumware on people's hard drives.
Yes, and it extends to this gay-friendly newsrag chain (we have one of them in my hometown), which uses the word "pedophile" three times in the article, "child-molester" frequently, but the word "pederast" not at all.
They're trying to eat their cake and have it, too -- bashing the Catholic Church for having priests who don't live up to standards, without bashing the priests who fall short. Net-net, their game is to bash the standards and their upholders, not the deviates.
IOW, they're as bad as the people they're writing about. They're deploring Moloch to cast out St. Peter in the name of Lucifer.
It sure is.
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