Judge sentences man to 25 years for beating trick-or-treater

AP ^ | June 12, 2002

[Roscoe]

Standard Libertarian Argument #173a: If he can drink beer, I should be able to smoke crack.

[Roscoe]

Beer and wine are responsible for more crime and violence than crack.

So do you want to outlaw beer or not?

[philman_36]

Where are the grains of sand on the beach enumerated?
Are you saying that "society's" rights are innumerable?

Whoa...check out the font!
Not me...I didn't do it.

[Roscoe]

I thought rights were absolute.

"They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety." --Benjamin Franklin

[philman_36]

A drug dealer doesn't have a right to sell crack bindles.
How so?

[philman_36]

Nothing about rights, only liberty and safety.

[Roscoe]

Are you saying that "society's" rights are innumerable?

Just as a matter of public record property rights, the number should be in the millions.

That's a lot more than the zero rights recognized by its enemies.

[Roscoe]

How so?

A drug dealer doesn't have a right to sell crack bindles.

If you would like to argue that he does, where do you think such a "right" comes from?

[Junior]

You can have my beer when you pry it's ice-cold goodness from my cold, dead hands ...

[Roscoe]

only liberty and safety

"Essential liberty." Franklin wasn't a simpleton.

[philman_36]

Just as a matter of public record property rights, the number should be in the millions.
But that still doesn't address "society's" rights does it?

[Roscoe]

But that still doesn't address "society's" rights does it?

Just a few million of them

[philman_36]

"Essential liberty."
So you're saying "essential liberty" is rights?
BTW...you've gone afield of "society's" rights. Besides, I didn't realize Franklin was talking about "society" there.
They that can give up essential liberty...
"They"...subjective personal pronoun.

[philman_36]

Just as a matter of public record property rights, the number should be in the millions.
Hmmmm...Just a few million of them
That would be only one right, repeated multiple times.
Surely you must be able to give more than one right "society" has.
And whose property is it to start with? Did "society" own the property or did it belong to someone individually?

[Roscoe]

so.. you think crack should be outlawed?

Already is.

I am only stating the facts.

Yeah, right.

More people die from car accidents than by guns being fired straight up into the air on New Year's Eve.

[Roscoe]

That would be only one right, repeated multiple times.

Wrong.

And whose property is it to start with?

"It is a moot question whether the origin of any kind of property is derived from nature at all. It is agreed by those who have seriously considered the subject that no individual has, of natural right, a separate property in an acre of land, for instance. By a universal law, indeed, whatever, whether fixed or movable, belongs to all men equally and in common is the property for the moment of him who occupies it; but when he relinquishes the occupation, the property goes with it. Stable ownership is the gift of social law, and is given late in the progress of society." --Thomas Jefferson

[philman_36]

More people die from car accidents than by guns being fired straight up into the air on New Year's Eve.
More people die from car accidents than from drugs in a given year.
See here.